Chloroform Found in Syringe from Remains Scene!

I think this deserves a thread all by itself......

Chloroform Evidence Among New Casey Documents

Posted: 9:21 am EST November 6, 2009
Updated: 12:19 pm EST November 6, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Newly-released documents are shedding new light on the evidence prosecutors are using to build their case against Casey Anthony including details about the evidence at the scene where Caylee's body was discovered.

DOCUMENTS RELEASED 11/06/09
PHOTOS: Evidence Images From Documents
Forensic Entomology Lab Exam Report
Investigators Take Casey Tattoo Photos
1,765 Pages Of FBI Exams, Docs SLOW to load
Henkel Tape Product Specs, Supplier List

Investigators say they found traces of chloroform that was found on a bottle and a syringe.

There was very damning evidence found at the scene where Caylee's remains were found inside a Disney bag, including a bottle of Cool Blue Gatorade, but when they opened it they found instead a substance containing chloroform and cleaning fluid and a syringe holding a substance containing the potentially deadly chloroform.

Records show the Gatorade bottle they found was partially full of a fluid that was later through testing determined to contain chloroform and cleaning fluid. Inside the bottle was a plastic pouch containing a syringe where investigators also found chloroform.

During earlier investigators, computer searches were found on Casey Anthony’s computer on how to make chloroform months before Caylee disappeared and investigators found a web page about chloroform in Casey's ex-boyfriend's computer, which he says she could have seen, months before investigators say she went online researching chloroform.

Chloroform can be made with common household chemicals and can be deadly in high doses.

Investigators also found something on the clothing of Caylee's favorite doll, a doll her family says she never went anywhere without. The doll was found in Casey's car and they later believe that it was urine they found on the doll's clothing.

Chloroform is a byproduct of human decomposition, but investigators confirm what they consider to be an unusually high concentration of chloroform in Casey’s trunk and the new evidence released Friday could be the reason for that.

Most the documents released Friday are detailed reports of FBI examinations of evidence (read it). There are also some photos of evidence among the documents (see them).

Additionally, there is the entomology report (read it) that details bugs identified inside the trash bag found inside the trunk of Casey's car and what they tell about decomposition.

Also among the documents are Henkel tape product specs along with a list of suppliers (read it) and a document about the day investigators went to the jail to take photos of Casey's tattoo (read doc | see tattoo photos).

http://www.wftv.com/news/21539718/detail.html

Whoa! Now THIS could be why the DP was put back on the table IMO. I haven't had a chance to read yet but I am SO curious to know if there was any prints on that syringe???

A syringe containing chloroform was found at the crime scene after Google searches on how to make chloroform were found on Casey's computer. I wonder how Bozo will try to explain this one away.

Justice4all wrote:A syringe containing chloroform was found at the crime scene after Google searches on how to make chloroform were found on Casey's computer. I wonder how Bozo will try to explain this one away.

J4, I don't think they can explain it......

I posted this earlier on the Defense Motions thread, but I think I will do a double post and re-post it here since it deals with the evidence, as well......

After reading some of today's doc dump (in particular, this info about the syringe), I have a very strong feeling that the reason the defense filed the motion alleging double jeopardy and trying to get some of the charges dismissed MAY be because after they saw this evidence against KC, they know she's toast.

I think maybe they know there is no way in hell they can keep KC from getting convicted.... now they are working on saving her from the DP. Hence, trying to get some of the charges dropped, so it will make a difference come penalty phase of the murder trial.

It's beyond horrific to think what Casey did to Caylee....the duct tape horror, and now possibly shooting her up with a chloroform potion as well! My God, how little Caylee must have suffered agonizing pain. Since the syringe was protected, there has to be prints. Everything single thing points right back to Casey, the Anthony house, and the car. It's all tied together. She is BURNT toast, no way to plant any doubt. They will be able to prove pre-meditation. Poor Caylee, Casey truly hated her child.

Not that it matters if there are prints on it...but hubby suggested the syringe may have been used to measure ingredients to make the chloroform...if that is the case there would not be any DNA on the needle....if she injected her there will definitely be...could be the smoking gun...fingerprints or DNA would be enough...I'm gonna hope for fingerprints and no DNA, even though it would be gravy...I don't want her to have killed her that way....I read that chloroform shuts down vital organs immediately after being injected...sorry for the grapics....

That's a great point, Dis....using the syringe for measurements. I don't want to think she injected Caylee with this either. I believe they described the Gatorade bottle as "partially full". I'm hoping Casey's prints are there, I hope Caylee's DNA is not....

another possibility, some infant/young child medications come with a dosage syringe. It has no needle, it is just for more precise medication administration.

maybe caylee was used to taking her medication from a dosage syringe, and it was easier for KC to get her to take the chloroform by telling her it was her "medication"..

not that it is any better, but this could be a possible explaination for a syringe.

Yep, you're right Randi......the dosage syringe...makes it much easier to administer medication to a young child, she would most likely be familiar with it. The ones I've had to use were fatter, and were a white plastic. The pictures look to me to be more like a regular syringe, with a needle. I need to look at the pics again..can anyone post those pics here?

When you look at the pics of this syringe, you can see what appears to be a needle inside the syringe cap in the bottom right pic.



I, personally, think Caylee was duct taped and then possibly injected with the chloroform concoction. I think she made her own (based on the google search), put it in the Gatorade bottle and used the syringe to inject little Caylee. After she no longer needed it, she tossed the syringe in the bottle an threw it away with Caylee...

It just makes me sick to think how that child must have suffered at the hands of the one person who was supposed to protect her.

Thanks, Snaz.....you always come through. It is a real syringe, full of the chloroform concoction, with a real needle.....I just didn't think she could be anymore evil.

I think the syringe was put there by the murdering Casey. I just don't see a conspiracy here.

AJ,

I don't think that your thoughts on DC are far fetched AT ALL. I'll tell you why. The state wants DC and his information. AND BOY, do they want it BAD! I have a feeling the state feels he also has some very vital information about what happened too. So, I wouldn't put it past DC to something in that area.

However, I am almost convinced KC did this ALL on her own. So, I'm not sure. But I also don't think KC ever told ANYONE! If someone had any information that ultimately got DC to go there or Kronk to find the body, I think it was ill gotten. I think something may have been overheard at the jail. Or it was only through KC'S wacked out "clues" that CA or someone figured it out. I just can't see KC ever having told anyone. I think she will deny this to her dying breath. She will always want to believe in her mind, that there will be a forever hope she won't spend eternity in jail. Now if she had only, possibly given the truth in the beginning, she may have gotten out in 20-30 years. Who knows. But we know how her psycho mind works now. And she will never tell anyone how, why or what she did to Caylee. That's just my opinion. I think this case is much simpler than we all think. I don't think there was a lot of the stuff we think involved here. I think KC did it, did it alone and went about her life. Period! I hope the state makes it simple like that too. Let the defense try and confuse the jury with all of their mumbo jumbo. The jury will be able to see right through their ridiculousness.

As for the syringe I was thinking about all of those tiny pin pricks on the tape we talked about. Now that this syringe with needle has been found, I wonder if there is any connection. Thoughts???

Justice4all wrote:A syringe containing chloroform was found at the crime scene after Google searches on how to make chloroform were found on Casey's computer. I wonder how Bozo will try to explain this one away.

J4A,

I don't believe the defense could defend the earliest, more simple things, such as her 31 DAYS and her behavior for the 31 DAYS. So, how they will be able to explain their clients connection to the chloroform
A. in the car trunk
B. with the body and
C. in the home (meaning the computer searches).

The only one who links to these three things in KC! What I am wondering though, is, do we know when exactly the defense got this information? It said they have had this information. But when? I'm wondering if it was right before we got it. Or was it long ago and they have still went on their media blitz, knowing what they did? If they have had this information and still made their claims it was a stranger, all I can think is WOW, JUST WOW! So, do we know?

yup.. that is a REAL syringe alright, with a real needle..

thanks for the pics.. i hadnt seen them (slacking on doc reading)..

i think i just had a hard time believing that KC could ACTUALLY inject caylee.. IF that is not cold, cruel and calculating, i dont know what is!!!!

hmm.... isnt CA a NURSE??? i dont know about where everyone else lives, BUT in my neck of the woods, you cannot just go anywhere and buy a MEDICAL syringe.. heck, you cannot even buy the little tiny insulin syringes without a prescription.. and this was no little insulin syringe.. (for the record, i am not implying that CA injected caylee, just that may be another link to the Ant home.. maybe she GOT the syringe from CA..) or.. it could be just another coincidence leading back to CA.. could it be a frame job from camp bozo????

As for the syringe I was thinking about all of those tiny pin pricks on the tape we talked about. Now that this syringe with needle has been found, I wonder if there is any connection. Thoughts???.
Tracey6434

Wow, Tracey.....good point.

I googled how to make chloroform and it is not hard to make, dangerous, but not hard. Also, the syringe probably wasn't used to measure since it takes a lot of ingredients to make a little bit of it. More than likely she used it to retrieve the chloroform out of the container she made it in. Once the chemical reaction takes place the chloroform settles in the bottom. The reaction takes place after you mix the acetone with the bleach and takes about 30 min. for it to settle. The formula is 50 parts bleach to 1 part acetone on one site and 25:1 on another site. At least the way I read it...lol...I am no chemistry major either but they showed a clip on NG of the first site that pops up on google. Sci-Spot.com

Booklover~Casey taking steroids would not be shocking...good suggestion...if not for the sexual side effects and the bulking...but then again, I was still holding out hope that maybe it was an accidental overdose...she could have put zanny's in a piece of gum if she wanted to knock her out...she would only go to this much trouble with her lazy self if she planned on KILLING. Who knows what the testosterone has to do with it..I bet the SAO has a pretty good idea though.

Interesting.....Over at MD's someone said LE obtained a prescription box for Gentamicin written for Caylee. Gentamicin is an injected antibiotic.

Also, I have a thought about the testosterone. I have some serious female issues. So, I know a lot about different hormones used for different conditions. I can tell you, you can easily access testosterone, progesterone and estrogen in many forms. I know after I had my first child, I was prescribed a prescription for testosterone gel. It is made at a compounding pharmacy. So, for whatever reason, it was in that syringe, it is not something hard to get.
The good thing about the state's case, is they don't have to prove how KC got these things or why she used certain things. After all, remember, we are dealing with a psychopath. I don't think anyone will completely figure out every single thing she did or why. They only have to connect to her, that she was the one who DID have them and the only one who could have used them. And although, juries like to have a motive, the state doesn't have to provide one. Although, I'm sure they will present their theory. There is no one else that the totality of evidence points too, other than KC herself.