Trunk Liner from KC's Car

The Trunk Liner – where some REAL Chloroform was found

November 9th, 2009
The Hinky Meter

So, we’ve discussed the Gatorade bottle and syringe. I think the claim it’s a “smoking gun” is a fair measure of hyperbole. As stated in my write up on the Entomology results, I think the bugs are far more problematic for Casey than the syringe. That and the duct tape, of course. But another sticky area for Casey lies in the chemical analysis results for the trunk liner. That’s where REAL chloroform returns have to be explained. Let’s start on page 645 of the mega-document, where we have a summary of chemical analysis for the various trunk liner pieces tested: Q22-Q25 and Q44-Q45. All showed signs of chloroform in varying amounts and, unlike the syringe, all were reportable. Q25 is the only piece that is logged as “trace” and it’s taken from the right side of the trunk – interestingly, the opposite side of the trunk from where the Q12.1 “death hair” was collected. All of the rest are truly worth discussing.

Read more here:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?p=558

Between the "death hair", chloroform, and coffin flies, it looks like the trunk might be the real smoking gun. The defense's claim that somebody else did it won't hold water if it is established in court that Caylee's dead body was in Casey's trunk. Of course, not too many of the defense's claims hold water.

i think the big D will have a HUGE problem explaining away all the "little" things in this case.. the 31 days (that aj LOVEs so much..lol) the laundry bag match, the trash bag match, the duck tape match, the pooh blanket from the set at HOME, the cadaver dogs indicating in the ant backyard (there we 2 separate dogs as i remember).. the "death band hair" and the childlike stain in the truck..

of course there is MUCH more that my already overloaded brain cannot pull up, but i think when the jury is in that room, there will be SOOO many things that are just inconceivable for someone else to have had access to. it all ties back to the anthony home.. it all ties back to KC.

AJ, I think you're right.... because so much of the State's evidence against KC is coming from the trunk, JC and crew will most likely TRY to say that the car was in someone else's possession. They can scream it from the rooftops, saying it to anyone who will listen and until they are blue in the face, but there is no indication WHATSOEVER that KC's car was ever in anyone's possession other than KC....

The State has the testimony of TL about when she left the car at Amscot... they have the testimony of the Amscot employee (can't remember her name) about how long it was there... and they have the testimony of Gary Ridgeway, Johnson's Wrecker, who towed the car from Amscot to Johnson's....

I'd say that pretty well seals it up for the State.......

Sorry, but no way, Jose......

Let's not forget that Casey was not the one who reported Caylee missing. After 31 days, it was Cindy who finally called 911 about Caylee. I'm sure Casey never had any intention of reporting Caylee missing. That is very telling, & speaks volumes about Casey's involvement in Caylee's disappearance.

snaggles.. i think you are correct.. they have almost a "chain of custody log" for that vehicle..

the many testimonies will show EXACTLY where that car was from the day she abandoned it there in the lot. tony can testify when he picked her up.. the amscott people can testify it never moved from the first day they saw it, and the wrecker guy and lot employees can testify that it was towed on such and such day, and no one had access from that time forward.. under lock and key..

i think that alone will show that SOD did not happen upon KCs abandoned car, and just happen to put a body (caylees body per the hair) in a car that just happened to belong to KC....

Book, I would completely agree with that..... I have never believed KC ever had any intention of reporting Caylee missing.... she only did it because Cindy forced her hand....

Snaz wrote:Book, I would completely agree with that..... I have never believed KC ever had any intention of reporting Caylee missing.... she only did it because Cindy forced her hand....

Hi, Snaz! It's amazing that some people forget that Casey NEVER reported Caylee missing. 31 days passed before Cindy finally decided to call 911. Why she waited that long is beyond me. Denial perhaps, but, I'm not so sure about that either.

Booklover wrote:Let's not forget that Casey was not the one who reported Caylee missing. After 31 days, it was Cindy who finally called 911 about Caylee. I'm sure Casey never had any intention of reporting Caylee missing. That is very telling, & speaks volumes about Casey's involvement in Caylee's disappearance.

Every time I hear it reported that KC waited 31 days to report her daughter missing, I get so ANGRY!

You are SO right Booklover! KC NEVER reported Caylee missing. Cindy DID! And the jury WILL hear this, I'm sure. But in much better quality! No human being on that jury will be able to deny KC did this from start to finish!



And don't forget those text messages to AMY. We know KC tells AH on June 25th, the car smells horrible. Also, this same week, she gives Amy, the squirrel story and her dad may have run over something. Then she eventually says she got rid of the smell. Now this all tells us KC HAS THE CAR! Amy must have seen the car at some point. Didn't they go get the gas can in this time frame too? I forget because KC ran out of gas so much! But either way, KC puts herself with the car, through all of these messages. Then we know the rest has, as was mentioned, a chain of custody paper trail of exactly where the car was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmixlqaEsSo&feature=related

"IT SMELLS LIKE SOMETHING DIED IN MY CAR"...sounds like a confession to me...the SAO should blow those words up and put them up for the jury to see how clearly disturbed this chick really is....poor Caylee

Thanks Tracey! When it gets closer to trial I am gonna re-listen to some of those videos....we forget little details over time and the shock value wears off...that's my problem with the Sunshine law...after so much time these statements will have less impact...hopefully the jury is made up of people who really don't know anything about this case.

Tracey6434 wrote:

Booklover wrote:Let's not forget that Casey was not the one who reported Caylee missing. After 31 days, it was Cindy who finally called 911 about Caylee. I'm sure Casey never had any intention of reporting Caylee missing. That is very telling, & speaks volumes about Casey's involvement in Caylee's disappearance.

Every time I hear it reported that KC waited 31 days to report her daughter missing, I get so ANGRY!

You are SO right Booklover! KC NEVER reported Caylee missing. Cindy DID! And the jury WILL hear this, I'm sure. But in much better quality! No human being on that jury will be able to deny KC did this from start to finish!



And don't forget those text messages to AMY. We know KC tells AH on June 25th, the car smells horrible. Also, this same week, she gives Amy, the squirrel story and her dad may have run over something. Then she eventually says she got rid of the smell. Now this all tells us KC HAS THE CAR! Amy must have seen the car at some point. Didn't they go get the gas can in this time frame too? I forget because KC ran out of gas so much! But either way, KC puts herself with the car, through all of these messages. Then we know the rest has, as was mentioned, a chain of custody paper trail of exactly where the car was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmixlqaEsSo&feature=related

Hi, Tracey! I listened to the tape, & it is clear that Casey did NOT want to talk to authorities about Caylee. WHY not? How could anyone possibly make excuses for that kind of behavior? Did you notice how angry Casey sounded? Unbelievable! A normal Mother would be frantic, & concerned, NOT Casey Anthony. She was furious that she was forced to talk with the 911 Operator. Casey knew what was to follow, & she didn't want any part of it. I hope the Prosecutor makes it a point to "REMIND" the jurors that Casey did NOT report Caylee missing.

i have a q.. maybe i missed it in the docs, but HOW much chloroform was found in the car trunk??

we keep hearing that the chloroform found at the remains location was insignificant (parts per billion).. was the concentration from the trunk ever released??
i know that swimming pool water has been found to contain up to 1.28 ppm (parts per million) .. i guess i am just wondering if the concentration in the trunk could be "explained away" by the defense using the pool water possibility..or if it shows something MUCH more sinister.

i think there have been too many things in this case that go straight back to chloroform, it seems to be popping up too many places to be a mear coincidence. i pray there is a connection, a usable one, that will tie all of these disturbing details of this case together.

Randi, I can't give you a link, or even definite information, but IIRC, they did say there were "high levels" of chloroform in the trunk....... however, those to words can be quite subjective....

I am pretty sure, though, the State will have the answers to that question and we will everything we never really wanted to know about chloroform at the trial.

Can't wait......

randilynn wrote:i have a q.. maybe i missed it in the docs, but HOW much chloroform was found in the car trunk??

we keep hearing that the chloroform found at the remains location was insignificant (parts per billion).. was the concentration from the trunk ever released??
i know that swimming pool water has been found to contain up to 1.28 ppm (parts per million) .. i guess i am just wondering if the concentration in the trunk could be "explained away" by the defense using the pool water possibility..or if it shows something MUCH more sinister.

i think there have been too many things in this case that go straight back to chloroform, it seems to be popping up too many places to be a mear coincidence. i pray there is a connection, a usable one, that will tie all of these disturbing details of this case together.

Randi, starting on page 645 of the following document, there is a summary and graphs of the chemical analysis done on the trunk liners. http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21540603/detail.html

Some of it is hard to read, but according to Vallhall at The Hinky Meter, most of the trunk liner pieces had substantial amounts of chloroform. Q22, the part where George said there was a basketball size stain, had the most chloroform.

No doubt Cindy will say naturally there was chloroform in the trunk cause she cleaned it with chemicals that contained chloroform components...

I have been reading a lot about the stain in the trunk of KC's car. This picture is from WS; originated by JWG and posted by BJB. There is substantial discussion about the stain being the image of a child (as was mentioned by the FBI (?) tech early on).


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4985169&postcount=365

I have been having a hard time seeing what many saw until another poster made a comment about it looking like where the hip is pointed to, that maybe instead that is the hands/arms bound behind her back. It has taken me quite some time, but...... I can see that!!!!

Please tell me thank you guys think.

Thanx Snaz...eye see what ewe see...ST

Ju-li... here's that lead balloon we were talking about... Do I still need to have that little lead fella hit you in the head with it?

Hey, Snaz....I see what you're talking about now.
btw, Cute lead balloon!