What Was the Method Used to Murder Caylee?

Julie, I can't speak for Randi, but I believe duct tape was used partially because KC was VERY angry at her mother when she left that house the night of Father's Day after the "Cindy-choking-KC" incident. I believe KC had premeditated Caylee's murder, but I'm not sure she had decided for sure when to kill her... and I think maybe the duct tape was an after-thought.

I don't even pretend to understand a mind like KC Anthonys, so I can only speculate like everyone else. Maybe Caylee had been screaming crying.... I just don't know. But I believe KC is heartless enough to have subdued her with something first... and just for good measure, just to make sure, added the duct tape out of anger.

The reason I don't buy using duct tape to make it look like a kidnapper did it is because I don't think KC had actually thought through what she would actually say happened to Caylee. She was hoping to put off facing her mother for as long as possible. When she was finally tracked down, KC didn't say Caylee was taken by the imaginanny until AFTER she had told Lee that Caylee had been gone for 31 days... when Cindy came in the room and heard KC say that to Lee, the first words out of her mouth were..."What have you done? Who took her?" I think right then and there KC decided that was her "stay out of trouble" card.... she just never thought no one other than her idiot parents would buy that ridiculous story.

I'm not sure we will ever really know exactly what happened to little Caylee. I tend to lean towards KC having suffocated Caylee. But I could be wrong......

One thing that sticks in my mind is Lee asking Casey If this was like the last time.

What last time?

Had Casey taken Caylee away before and wouldn't let Cindy see her? What if she did, as a trial run to perfect her plan? And what if by Lee asking her If this was like the last time, he was meaning if it was just a mean game like last time and Caylee would show back up like last time.

Lottie, I think everyone wants to know what that comment meant. I know I do....

Obviously, they have had some real issues in that family.

Snaz wrote:Julie, I can't speak for Randi, but I believe duct tape was used partially because KC was VERY angry at her mother when she left that house the night of Father's Day after the "Cindy-choking-KC" incident. I believe KC had premeditated Caylee's murder, but I'm not sure she had decided for sure when to kill her... and I think maybe the duct tape was an after-thought.

I don't even pretend to understand a mind like KC Anthonys, so I can only speculate like everyone else. Maybe Caylee had been screaming crying.... I just don't know. But I believe KC is heartless enough to have subdued her with something first... and just for good measure, just to make sure, added the duct tape out of anger.

The reason I don't buy using duct tape to make it look like a kidnapper did it is because I don't think KC had actually thought through what she would actually say happened to Caylee. She was hoping to put off facing her mother for as long as possible. When she was finally tracked down, KC didn't say Caylee was taken by the imaginanny until AFTER she had told Lee that Caylee had been gone for 31 days... when Cindy came in the room and heard KC say that to Lee, the first words out of her mouth were..."What have you done? Who took her?" I think right then and there KC decided that was her "stay out of trouble" card.... she just never thought no one other than her idiot parents would buy that ridiculous story.

I'm not sure we will ever really know exactly what happened to little Caylee. I tend to lean towards KC having suffocated Caylee. But I could be wrong......

Snaz, the reason of Casey being very angry with Cindy does make sense and that Casey would have used the tape to quiet Caylee who may have been screaming or crying after the Father's Day argument. I agree 100 % with your 3rd paragraph too. That's what I was trying to say in an earlier post.

LottieM wrote:One thing that sticks in my mind is Lee asking Casey If this was like the last time.

What last time?

Had Casey taken Caylee away before and wouldn't let Cindy see her? What if she did, as a trial run to perfect her plan? And what if by Lee asking her If this was like the last time, he was meaning if it was just a mean game like last time and Caylee would show back up like last time.

It seems like there soooooo many unanswered questions in this case, it's crazy! So many theories that make some sense too! I wish someone could give them all a shot of truth serum, I reallly do.

Julie wrote:

LottieM wrote:One thing that sticks in my mind is Lee asking Casey If this was like the last time.

What last time?

Had Casey taken Caylee away before and wouldn't let Cindy see her? What if she did, as a trial run to perfect her plan? And what if by Lee asking her If this was like the last time, he was meaning if it was just a mean game like last time and Caylee would show back up like last time.

It seems like there soooooo many unanswered questions in this case, it's crazy! So many theories that make some sense too! I wish someone could give them all a shot of truth serum, I reallly do.

Haha, Julie! Wouldn't THAT be a whole new concept for the A's?!?!?!

Way back in the days of CSO, I read somewhere that KC had put Caylee in the trunk of her car to go partying, and she woke up and was crying when KC came back out to the car.
Maybe, since she couldn't locate her mom or dad to babysit on Monday nite, so she could go to Tony's, she drugged her, and taped her mouth so she couldn't make any noise if she awoke, but really didn't mean to cover her nose with it. By the time she came out of Tony's place the next morning, it was too late.
Everyone has a theory, but I also doubt we will ever know the truth. I really can't believe the story the prosecutor was telling in court that day. I don't think even KC could have taped that baby's mouth and nose while looking into those beautiful eyes.

I think that Casey used the duct tape out of meanness, and control. She was in control of Caylee, and she was in control of Cindy deing deprived of Caylee. She only kept Caylee until she was no longer useful as a free ride, and she wasn't about to let Cindy have Caylee all to herself. She was taking care of the "problem" and she is still smug and unrepentant....she fixed Cindy for good this last time. Casey also fixed it so Cindy would feel guilty and suffer forever. Casey is soul-less.

I agree with the set up of players. And I think Caylee's face was taped during a fit of pure spite and anger.

AJ, it just blows me away everytime I read her text messages!

The girl never stops, it's one lie right after another. None of these people exist! It's just still unbelievable to me how she keeps the flow going and going with the fake job and imaginary friends. I suppose if you're a seasoned liar it just comes natural.

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Julie wrote:

LottieM wrote:I wish someone could give them all a shot of truth serum, I reallly do.

Haha, Julie! Wouldn't THAT be a whole new concept for the A's?!?!?!

I think it would be a total shock to their systems. Something they never experienced before - truth...."huh? what's that? Get it off of me!!!"

Mama-that would make Caylee's death accidental in that scenario vs. premeditated, but again, the tape was so badly embedded in Caylee's hair, had she survived, how would Casey have gotten it out?

Cali-that's what Cindy's mom, Shirley P, basically said too, she hated Cindy more that she loved Caylee.

In all of KCs actions, most of us seem to feel that she doesnt put much effort or work into anything she does..So why the tape?

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AJ- that's what I mean, if death was to be a "put to sleep" death, why the tape? I have been reading this case for over a year and all of the theories and ideas, and so many make sense, but there's always a "but" in there. Heck, she could have even OD'd Caylee at home with liquid cold meds, let her die, and say oops, Caylee got into the stuff when I wasn't looking. (eye poke, eye poke).

Maybe everyone is right about Casey not being too smart, because if this was her plan, she really did it the hard way, which wasn't too smart. There are so many quicker, easier ways she could have done this.

These text messages, I think Casey sounds like she's playing Tony, my boss says I'm in love, I am, guess with who, I'll bring him to Fusion's, do you want to meet him?, oh, silly billy - it's you, and Tony's responses, he calls her a sneaky bitch, she's like oh, don't call me that, and he tells her later to f-off? and she says yeah, I want to. Sounds so juvenile. Maybe she was premeditating some of these made of people, but it also sounds like she was just playing all girlie-girl on him. I don't know. He does sound very disinterested in her "co-workers", and yet she just keeps on going.

Please feel free to start a thread about the text messages, if you would like to discuss them....

Thanks!

okay... i will tell you why i think the tape was applied...


to kill caylee.. we know it was all premeditated by the actions and comp searches leading up to june 16th..

do you know how much cold medicine/chloroform it takes to kill a two year old?.. neither do i, and i would venture to bet that KC didnt know either.

the medicine was just to render her unconcious, uncombative, and silent. .. it was not nor do i believe ever intended to be the murder weapon. ... that is what the duct tape was for, to suffocate little caylee, while her "mother" was far enough away to be "out of sight, out of mind". .. and not get her hands "dirty"

IMHO

Randi - thanks for your input, I was just wondering what you & Snaz thought. To me, there are still many things in this case that don't make 100% clear sense to me, and the duct tape is one of them.

Julie wrote:Randi - thanks for your input, I was just wondering what you & Snaz thought. To me, there are still many things in this case that don't make 100% clear sense to me, and the duct tape is one of them.

Julie, I bet there isn't one person who completely understands this case...... this criminal, this family... they all defy full understanding. There is so much dysfunction in this family, and in the criminal herself, that it would take a panel of psychiatrists to figure it all out.

For now, we are all just speculating. I'm hoping we might get some clarification during the trial....

I have to agree AJ....and the argument with Cindy was just the impetus needed to push this deed into the forefront of KC mind....after all she prolly thought it would be easier for her to start/continue her life without her...In reality she had NO babysitter and had to "drag" the "little snot head" around with her where ever she went.

I agree Casey was not going to do a lot of work. That's obvious since she didn't even bury her or drive too far to dump her. I have a hard time even believing she toted Caylee's dead body into the woods in her own arms.

Casey was a lazy mom. She let anyone who happened to be around at Tony's watch Caylee like she assumed someone would and didn't care if no one did, didn't even know if no one was watching her.

Probably when she had her by herself she didn't watch her very well especially if she had to text someone. LOL Jesse said Caylee would play out in the backyard alone and Casey hardly checked on her.

The tape is a confounding issue. I could believe the tape was put on Caylee after she was dead, even though I don't see Casey getting that close to a dead body and especially not putting the alleged heart sticker on the tape.

The cadaver dog hits in the backyard is what makes me believe though that the tape was put on after Caylee was dead because I can't see her taping up a live Caylee outside in the yard, and I can't see her dragging a taped dead Caylee out to the backyard from some other place of having killed her with duct tape, not even to attempt to bury her out there. And she'd never bury her in the backyard with duct tape on her anyway!

I also do believe if the tape was used to kill Caylee, Casey would have removed it post haste no matter if she did have to cut Caylee's hair to get it off her. Why would she care about her hair?

Even though I think the tape is going to do Casey in, I don't think she killed Caylee with it. I do think it was an afterthought to stage a nanny kidnapping. And I think the cause of death was an accident that was Casey's fault, and the reason she didn't call 911 was because
of the nature of the accident, perhaps illegal drug ingestion or over-medicating her to sleep. And I'm inclined to believe it was over-medicating her to sleep no matter what time of day because it was the easiest way to get Caylee out of her hair.

To support the over-medicating theory, we have Casey's friends saying Caylee was a rambunctious child, had a hard time getting to sleep, and once she was asleep she could sleep through anything. Some of the family even said Caylee wouldn't go to sleep by herself and someone had to lay with her. I think sleep was an issue and Caylee was probably used to being given something for it. Was it the much talked about Zanax? From which we get Zannie? That's what I think. And there's no way Casey was going to call 911 with Zanax in Caylee's system.

Probably no one is going to agree with me on this one, but I also think it's possible Caylee went with Casey to Tony's on the 16th and she was over-medicated there before they went to Blockbuster and died there. Perhaps she wasn't discovered dead until the morning.

Tony skipped classes on the 17th. Casey was said to have slept late that day. What went on the night before? Was it just them watching those movies?

That's the day Casey's car was seen being backed into the garage too. And it's also the day Chris Stutz said Casey came by his parent's house in a dark colored jeep with NY plates, but that's not all that reliable because he later said it might have been the 18 or 19.

I've always had a feeling Tony could be the missing link in finding out what really happened to Caylee. But if he is, then he can't tell it for some reason that must implicate him in even some small way, such as not reporting a death and knowingly harboring a criminal, who drugged her child to death, for a month. Or it could be that Tony had something to do with where Casey got whatever she used to drug Caylee to sleep, even if he just lended her the money since she was obviously broke all the time.

It's also interesting that Tony went apartment hunting with Casey on June 19th, wanting to break his lease at his old place. Why? Bad memories? Or was it just a first irrational thought about getting away from the crime scene and any evidence that might be there?