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Post by Snaz on Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:09 pm

Maybe NOW they will put this guy back in prison and keep him where he belongs....... better yet... give him the death penalty.....

I've always supported the DP, but I've truly lost my patience on hearing this kind of crap. Do to him exactly what he did to his victims!!!

I'm sorry.... I'm just ANGRY!

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Post by Justice4all on Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:29 pm

I'm very angry Snaz. It's too bad that two teenagers had to lose their lives for this guy to be put back in prison where he still should have been for his previous crimes.

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Post by Justice4all on Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:29 pm

Judge issues gag order in Calif. teen murder case

By AP News
Tuesday, March 09, 2010

A convicted sex offender charged with murdering one teen and suspected in the death of another appeared in court Tuesday as a judge issued a gag order and delayed a key hearing in the case.

Defendant John Albert Gardner III spoke only to acknowledge that he waived his right to speedy proceedings.

Superior Court Judge David J. Danielsen rescheduled the preliminary hearing from March 18 to Aug. 4. The hearing is meant to show if there is enough evidence to send Gardner to trial.

The defense sought a September date, and the prosecution wanted the hearing by July.

Danielson also issued a gag order on parties in the proceedings.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King. She vanished Feb. 25 and her presumed body was found March 2 in a grave in a park north of San Diego.

The case against Gardner also alleges he raped or tried to rape King.

Public defender Michael Popkins, who represents Gardner, declined to comment after the hearing.

Gardner is also under investigation in the death of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, whose remains were found Saturday 10 miles from the site where King disappeared.

At a Monday night vigil, the father of Dubois, whose bones were found more than a year after she vanished walking to school, urged supporters to behave like his late daughter's favorite animal, the wolf, to hunt down child predators.

"Wolves hunt to survive, wolves hunt together to catch their prey," Maurice Dubois told more than 1,000 mourners at the candlelight vigil. "We as parents and the community need to make a change for the protection of our children."

Mourners held a moment of silence for Amber Dubois and Chelsea King.

Escondido police say Gardner, 30, is also a focus of their investigation into Amber's death.

Carrie McGonigle, Amber's mother, said laws need to be changed.

"I still see a lot of children walking by themselves and it scares me," she said on a chilly night in the courtyard of Escondido High School, near the spot where Amber disappeared Feb. 13, 2009.

Police said Amber's remains were identified through dental records. They have not said what led them to the remote area near Pala because the discovery is part of a murder investigation.

Dubois noted in his remarks that rumors his daughter was a runaway hampered the family's efforts to bring national media attention to their search. Gardner's arrest three days after Chelsea King disappeared renewed interest in Amber.

Kelly Elsbernd, a cousin, said she and Amber grew up drawing animals together and pretending to be seals and otters when they went swimming.

"They never really played with dolls," said Nicole Elsbernd, Kelly's mother. "They played with bugs."

Jade Fidel, Amber's best friend, said Amber had two dogs, a cat and a bird, but wolves were her favorite.

"She liked them," Fidel said. "They were free, independent."

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Escondido from January 2008 to January 2010, with some gaps, according to police. He served five years of a six-year prison term for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in San Diego in 2000 and completed parole in September 2008.


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Re: Chelsea King -- Found Deceased 3/2/10 -- UPDATE: John Albert Gardner III admits he murdered Chelsea

Post by Guest on Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:41 pm

it pains me to think that this is going to drag on forever....

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Post by Justice4all on Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:18 pm

Superior Court Judge David J. Danielsen rescheduled the preliminary hearing from March 18 to Aug. 4. The hearing is meant to show if there is enough evidence to send Gardner to trial.

We already know there is enough evidence to send him to trial based on the fact that his DNA was found on Chelsea's clothing. Why is a five month delay necessary for the preliminary hearing? Give me a break.

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:47 am

I was going to say this earlier - but this is one prime example of how our justice system needs to be "updated" - when there is a case like this where we have clear DNA evidence linking him to Chelsea's murder, I find it unnecessary to waste tax-payer money on a long drawn out trial... We KNOW at the very least, he raped her - and are we supposed to believe that he left her there and somone else happened by to finish her off?? NO!!! so, our justice system needs to keep up with the times here - when there's DNA evidence, I think it needs to be put on the fast track... JMO

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Post by Estee on Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:09 pm

Tish...I think a lot of it stems from the fact that he pled Not Guilty....despite the fact that there was his DNA....He could always say it was consentual sex, and she was of the age of consent...he could say that he had known her for sometime and they had a "thingy" that just got out of hand....He didn't mean to kill her....There are several scenarios but none the less he was a pervert and more than likely the trial will not go as he wishes...

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Post by Justice4all on Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:26 pm

Gardner violated parole seven times after attacking 13-year-old girl

Friday, March 12th, 2010

SAN DIEGO - Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, who is accused of raping and murdering Poway teen Chelsea King, racked up seven violations during the three years that he served on parole for attacking a 13-year-old girl in 2000, it was reported today.

The assistant secretary of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation said Thursday that Gardner's trouble with parole agents never warranted his being sent back to prison, but that official's boss later issued

a statement saying the case was being reviewed, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

Gardner's most serious violation while on parole was in September 2007, when he lived in an apartment adjacent to Miramar College and its day-care center, according to the newspaper. The residence was also within 500 yards of

Scripps Ranch High School and Hourglass Field Community Park.

Gardner had a low battery in his GPS tracking device on four occasions, he missed a parole meeting one time and he once faced an allegation of possession of marijuana, the Union-Tribune reported.

Gardner, who is now 30, served five years of a six-year prison sentence for attacking a 13-year-old neighbor girl in his mother's Rancho Bernardo townhouse in 2000.

The District Attorney's Office made a plea deal with Gardner to spare the victim from testifying at trial despite a psychiatrist's report that Gardner showed no remorse and should get the maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

"He is simply a bad guy who is inordinately interested in young girls. ...He manifests significant predatory traits and is a danger to the community," Dr. Matthew Carroll wrote in his report.

Gardner was registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore but was staying with his mother in her townhouse when he was arrested in Chelsea's death Feb. 28. The townhouse is about a mile from Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where Chelsea's car was found Feb. 25.

Chelsea, a runner and musician at Poway High, parked her car there before going for an after-school training run alongside Lake Hodges. Her disappearance spurred a massive search effort by thousands of volunteers and several law enforcement agencies. Law enforcement found her body March 2 on the water's edge.

In addition to Chelsea's death, Gardner is charged with attacking a young female jogger in the same area in late December. In that case, the jogger elbowed her attacker and ran away.

Gardner is also a focal point of the investigation into the February 2009 slaying of Amber Dubois, according to Escondido police. The Escondido teen was 14 when she disappeared while walking to school. Her body was found earlier this month.

Escondido police said someone compelled by Chelsea's death came forward with a tip that led to the discovery of Amber's body in the Pala area.

Gardner could face the death penalty if convicted of Chelsea's death. A preliminary hearing is set for Aug. 4.


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Post by Justice4all on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:21 pm

Schwarzenegger orders review of sex offender case

By DON THOMPSON
Associated Press Writer
Published: Friday, Mar. 12, 2010 - 4:49 pm

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered a review Friday of the way the state handled a molestation case involving a man who is now charged with murdering one California teenager and under investigation in another killing.

The order came a day after The Associated Press disclosed John Albert Gardner III could have been sent back to prison in 2007 for parole violations and evaluated for possible commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator.

"We must learn from what happened in this case to make sure the public is protected from sexual predators," Schwarzenegger said in a statement detailing his order to the state Sex Offender Management Board.

Gardner, 30, has pleaded not guilty to the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea King in San Diego County. He also is a suspect but has not been charged in the killing of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who disappeared as she walked to school in Escondido in early 2009.

The 17-member board includes law enforcement officials, crime victims, treatment experts and others who advise the governor and Legislature on sex offender policies.

Gardner pleaded guilty in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor. He spent five years in prison and three years on parole before being released from supervision in September 2008.

Parole records independently obtained by the AP showed Gardner could have been sent back to prison in 2007 and 2008 for violations that included living too close to a college daycare center.

The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation has said it was trying to determine if actions regarding Gardner's parole were consistent with policy and law.

"We are taking every appropriate step to review these case factors to determine if these potential infractions warranted a return to prison on their merits," Corrections Secretary Matthew Cate said in a statement.

Oscar Hidalgo, spokesman for the department, previously said Gardner was considered to be a low- or moderate-risk sex offender, based on the assessment in use at the time.

He wasn't sent back to prison in September 2007 because he corrected the residency violation by moving away from the daycare center, Hidalgo said.

Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, R-San Diego, called for an investigation of the department and intends to hold public hearings before proposing legislation to increase penalties and oversight of sex offenders.

Assemblyman Pedro Nava, D-Santa Barbara, said he would amend one of his existing bills now in the state Senate to increase the penalty for a first offense of raping a minor to a mandatory 25 years to life in prison.

The current punishment is 15 years to life and also depends on the age of the victim. Nava is a former prosecutor who is running for attorney general.

Nava's bill also proposes creating a system to call the cell phones of residents in a specific area letting them know when a sex crime has been committed in their neighborhood.


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Post by Justice4all on Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:13 am

Thousands expected to mourn death of SoCal teen

Saturday, March 13, 2010

Students have wrapped ribbons around 8,000 sunflowers to hand out at a memorial service for Chelsea King, the 17-year-old girl whose murder has shaken her community and spurred calls for legal changes in how child sex offenders are treated.

"A lot of people are getting ready to bring closure to it," said Evan Shirley, 17, a friend of Chelsea's. "I hope to see everyone come out to support the family and honor their friend in whatever way they see fit."

The service Saturday comes 11 days after Chelsea's body was discovered in a shallow, lakeside grave near Lake Hodges, ending a massive five-day search. Organizers were issuing passes to limit seating at Poway High School stadium, which holds about 6,000 people.

Chelsea was a straight-A student ran on the cross-country team, played French horn in the San Diego Youth Symphony and was active in her school's peer counseling program. She was a tireless volunteer in school and community activities, whether working at a prom for special education students or packaging food for needy families in Africa.

She had applied to 11 colleges and aspired to a career that would combine her interests in writing and the environment.

Chelsea was last seen Feb. 25 wearing running clothes in Rancho Bernardo Park in San Diego, where her car was found locked with her belongings inside.

John Gardner, 30, was arrested three days later and pleaded not guilty to the murder and to the attempted rape of another woman in December. He also is a suspect but has not been charged in the killing of 14-year-old Amber Dubois, who disappeared as she walked to school in nearby Escondido in early 2009.

Gardner served five years of a six-year sentence for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000 to molesting a 13-year-old neighbor. He was on parole for three years, until September 2008.

On Friday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered a review of the way the state handled the 2000 case.


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Post by Justice4all on Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:14 am

Watch Chelsea's memorial service at the following link.

http://www.10news.com/video/22834155/

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Post by Justice4all on Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:10 pm

Masses Celebrate the Life of Chelsea King

In a heartbreaking display of courage, the Kings took the stage, bonded in tragedy

By MICHELLE WAYLAND
Updated 7:39 PM PST, Sat, Mar 13, 2010



Thousands gathered at Poway High to remember a beloved daughter, sister, friend, peer counselor and to some a stranger whose tragic death has shaken their soul.

“I just have to take this in for a minute,” Chelsea’s mom Kelly King said tearfully.

As she caught her breath, she told the crowd how she wakes up every morning and has to remember how to breathe and how to put one foot in front of the other.

“Just as I feel both these tasks are beyond my capabilities, I hear Chelsea. She’s saying ‘come on mom, we have important things to do’,” Kelly King said.

And so their conversation begins, she explained to the crowd.

“I tell her, ‘ angel, I don’t know how or where to begin. And she tells me, ‘mom, look around you. Take in all the beauty we have around us and help other people see it as well. Watch the sunrise and see all the hope it brings with each new day. Let the music that I’ve always found so much joy and beauty in raise your spirits and allow you to soar’,” she said.

Chelsea’s younger brother, Tyler King, said he’s been asked a question a lot this week.

“That is, ‘are you okay?’ I want to say I’m okay, but I’m not okay because the best thing in my life has been taken away from me, it was Chelsea. But her spirit is so large that it defeats death and so she’s still right here with all of us,” he said.

He stole hearts as he fondly recounted all the great times he had with his sister like Christmas, Halloween and Easter. He recalled that Christmas was their favorite holiday and remembered how they used to look for Santa.

“She thought she saw him out of her window, because we saw Christmas lights, so of course we thought that was Santa. So she gets really excited and starts running around the house going ‘Santa, Santa, Santa’,” he said.

Tyler recalled how Chelsea grabbed a plate of cookies for Santa but dropped it. She was devastated.

“Then last Christmas my dad got my mom home videos and we have that on film and the real reason for her dropping the cookies was me,” Tyler said laughing.

He had lifted his arms in excitement and hit the plate out of her arms.

The crowd chuckled as Tyler recalled his memories with a sparkle in his eye and love in his heart.

As Chelsea’s father took the stage, he made a gesture.

“To all the Poway kids that knew Chelsea extremely well,” Brent King said clasping his hands, twisting his arms and bowing his head. “Chelsea’s way of relieving stress and I needed a bit.”

Some of the crowd cheered and knew exactly what he meant. An inside joke, with those who knew her best.

“As a father, as a parent, you dream of watching your children grow, experience, learn, challenge and embrace life. You imagine their college days, wonder who the person of their dreams is and what type of life they will build together. You never realize that as a parent you also sign up for pain.”

He asked how do we as a community make sense of this senseless act. Chelsea could have run at a different park that day. She could have taken a different trail, at a different time.

“But that wouldn’t change the senseless act, just the victim. And we would never wish this pain on another family,” Brent King said.

When the tragedy began to unfold, he said he needed to make a choice.

“I could choose despair, probably the easiest choice. I could chose rage of which I have enough of that in me to walk through the deepest parts of hell a thousand times. Or I could choose hope. Because of you, I chose hope,” he said.

He promised to channel his rage and commit to spending his life making society safe from what he calls the incurable evil.

“Known sexual predators are not curable. The way in which as a community and a society, we have chosen to allow them to still live within our neighborhoods, is incomprehensible,” he said. “This issue is clear. It’s not defined by race, gender, age, religion, political affiliation or income. It’s about protecting our children from evil. Pure evil.”

Poway High School Principal Scott Fisher, speaking from a stage festooned with sunflower bouquets, told the crowd that the events of the two weeks since Chelsea's disappearance and the discovery of her body have filled the hearts of everyone at the school, and "millions who never had the privilege of knowing Chelsea."

“The events of the past two weeks have torn at the hearts and emotions of every one of us in this stadium and people across the country,” Principal Fisher said.

Family, friends, classmates and throngs of others sat beneath her giant image over the football stadium grandstand Saturday afternoon, wiping away tears and remembering a girl who has touched so many lives.



“To those who Chelsea loved so much, her friends and follow class mates at Poway High School, she loved you dearly and she learned so much from you. Memories she will cherish forever and ever and ever,” Chelsea’s uncle Chuck McCauley said. “On Feb. 25 our lives changed dramatically and will remain changed forever. Our hearts were shattered. Our spirits were dampened and our faith was tested. Because of each and every one of you who are here today and thousands and thousands of others around the globe, our hearts are mending. Our spirits are being lifted and our faith has been restored.”

He thanked a community he said is like no other community -- a community that tirelessly searched for his niece and surrounded his family with support and love.

“The outpouring of sympathy, assistance and support that has and continues to be unprecedented. You have touched our lives and will be in our hearts forever,” McCauley said.

He thanked the search and rescue team, the volunteers, law enforcement, care givers, churches, the media and the business community.

“You never lost your focus, you never gave up, you never lost hope and while we didn’t get the end result that all of us prayed for, Chelsea and her entire family will be forever grateful in your love and support,” he said.



Chelsea was a straight-A student who ran on the cross-country team, played French horn in the San Diego Youth Symphony and was active in her school's peer counseling program.

"Chelsea wanted to make a difference in this world and she clearly did. Look around you. This is the difference that a young woman like Chelsea King makes in this world. It is up to us, all of us, to ensure that the shining light that Chelsea brought to this campus, to this community and to this country will never be extinguished," Principal Fisher said.

Chelsea was a tireless volunteer in school and community activities, whether working at a prom for special education students or packaging food for needy families in Africa.

“Such was the magic that Chelsea brought to this world. A tragedy like this could easily tear apart even the strongest of communities, yet while we mourn, Chelsea’s passing has strengthened the bonds of this special community more than anyone could ever imagine,” Principal Fisher said.

She had applied to 11 colleges and aspired to a career that would combine her interests in writing and the environment. Although her aspirations were cut short, her parents say her light still shines strong.

“Chelsea loves words. The right word at the right time is so important to her. She chose a word for me to share with you today that personifies who Chelsea is. It’s a simple but complex word and a very challenging word, much like her,” Brent King said.

The word is give.

“I am asking each of you to think about Chelsea’s word. I’m asking each of you to give. Give your time, even if it’s one hour a month. Give your voice, even if it’s one email or vote or signature on a petition. Give your energy to help Chelsea’s light shine brightly," he said.

He finished up with four simple words for his daughter.

"I love you angel,” he said.


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Big-Crowds-Expected-at-Chelseas-Memorial--87341797.html

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Post by Piper on Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:15 pm

What a beautiful tribute to Chelsea.

She was a very special and beautiful girl. She wanted to make a difference in this world. And I believe in her tragic death, her family will make sure Chelsea will make a difference.

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Post by Piper on Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:18 pm

Parents Of Slain Poway Teen Launch Foundation

POSTED: 3:23 pm PDT March 15, 2010

SAN DIEGO -- The family of slain Poway High School senior Chelsea King announced today the creation of a nonprofit agency to serve as a vehicle for their efforts to tighten laws that are supposed to protect the public from sex offenders.

The Chelsea's Light Foundation will strive for legislative and law enforcement change in the name of the 17-year-old straight-A student, whose body was found in a shallow grave near Lake Hodges on March 2, five days after she went missing during a jogging outing in northern San Diego.

A registered sex offender has been charged with sexually assaulting and killing her.


With a "specific plan of action ... defined over the coming weeks and months," the organization will "work in concert with California Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher to develop a path forward, beginning with California and subsequently the nation," King family spokeswoman Sara Muller Fraunces said.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, issued the following statement regarding the fledgling agency:

"We know that the path to healing will be long and unsteady because Chelsea's absence leaves such a gaping hole in our hearts, our family and our community. We will reach past our grief and focus our rage to bring about changes that will make our communities safer. Establishing the Chelsea's Light Foundation is our first positive step in that direction. We invite global participation. As Chelsea loved to say, 'Go big or go home.'"

On Saturday, an overflow crowd of more than 6,000 people packed Poway High School's football stadium for a memorial honoring Chelsea, described by her principal as a "shining light" that the community must make sure is never extinguished.

The avid cross-country runner and San Diego Youth Symphony member disappeared Feb. 25 in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. A search by law enforcement teams from numerous agencies, aided by thousands of citizen volunteers, ended five days later with the discovery of her body.

Three days after the teen went missing, John Albert Gardner III, 30, was arrested on suspicion of raping and killing her. Police sources have said DNA found on the victim's underwear incriminated Gardner.

The suspect also is under investigation in connection with the disappearance and apparent murder of 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido, who vanished while walking to school in February 2009. Her skeletal remains were found early this month on a hillside in Pala, near the Riverside County border.

Gardner pleaded guilty 10 years ago to sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl in his mother's townhouse, which is located about a mile from the park where Chelsea disappeared.

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Post by Julie on Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:14 pm

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Chelsea’s younger brother, Tyler King, said he’s been asked a question a lot this week.

“That is, ‘are you okay?’ I want to say I’m okay, but I’m not okay because the best thing in my life has been taken away from me, it was Chelsea. But her spirit is so large that it defeats death and so she’s still right here with all of us,” he said.

He stole hearts as he fondly recounted all the great times he had with his sister like Christmas, Halloween and Easter. He recalled that Christmas was their favorite holiday and remembered how they used to look for Santa.

“She thought she saw him out of her window, because we saw Christmas lights, so of course we thought that was Santa. So she gets really excited and starts running around the house going ‘Santa, Santa, Santa’,” he said.

Tyler recalled how Chelsea grabbed a plate of cookies for Santa but dropped it. She was devastated.

“Then last Christmas my dad got my mom home videos and we have that on film and the real reason for her dropping the cookies was me,” Tyler said laughing.

He had lifted his arms in excitement and hit the plate out of her arms.

The crowd chuckled as Tyler recalled his memories with a sparkle in his eye and love in his heart.


I feel so bad for her little brother, her parents too, but this part of the article about her brother is really sad. How awful for him to lose his sister, who he calls the best thing in his life.

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Post by Piper on Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:14 am

Can Gardner's parents be blamed in Chelsea's death?

Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
Updated: Mar 16, 2010 4:32 AM EDT

SAN DIEGO, Cailf. (CBS) - The man accused of murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King was staying at his parents' home at the time of her death. As a convicted sex offender, John Gardner is required to register his residence, but he never registered at the Rancho Bernardo home.

A picture of John Gardner inside his mom's Rancho Bernardo home, where he was living at times, despite never registering here as a sex offender. Authorities didn't know about Gardner's secret residence, but his mother did. So can police go after her?

"It's stretching the argument under criminal law that would be harboring a fugitive cause he's not really a fugitive," News 8 legal analyst Kerry Steigerwalt said.

Stiegerwalt says the only way Gardner's mom could be held criminally responsible for his actions is if police could prove she knew what he was doing.

"Somebody has to be able to establish knowledge on her part for her to have any exposure," he said.

If John Gardner was under 18, things would certainly be different for his mom, who lives in the home with Gardner's stepfather. Under something called vicarious liability they could be held responsible for their kid's actions, even if they weren't there when the crime was committed.

But Gardner is 30, so while his parents may have an ethical and moral duty to protect society from John Gardner, their liability ends there.

"At some point in time, your responsibility as a parent ends and that point in time is when the child turns 18," Steigerwalt said.

That extends to civil cases too. So Chelsea King's parents won't have much luck if they go after Gardner's parents for money.

Truth be told, they won't have much luck if they go after John Gardner either, even if he is convicted of Chelsea's murder.

"You're limited to what he had, even if he had insurance, no insurance coverage policy would cover that because it's an intentional act," Steigerwalt said.

The Kings haven't said if they plan to sue Gardner, but no amount of money can buy them what they really want - the safe return of their precious daughter.

Gardner has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for Aug. 4.


http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12146577

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Re: Chelsea King -- Found Deceased 3/2/10 -- UPDATE: John Albert Gardner III admits he murdered Chelsea

Post by Guest on Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:09 am

Truth be told, Gardner's mother MAY be just another victim here - i want to have compassion towards her as a mother, and we all know as parents, that there comes a time when we can no longer make choices for our children, as much as we want to, and esp when we see them do things as despicable as this, not that I speak from experience, because my children are still very young, but I DO believe that she knew what her son was CAPABLE of - she knew probably better than anyone - because let's face it, a mother KNOWS... they may want to ignore it or look the other way - but you know when your child is up to no good - you know their strengths and their weaknesses - as mothers, we can't ignore it anymore!! I DO think it's our duties as mothers to protect others from our own children when necessary. In doing so, you might protect your child as well - what if she had just had him register her home as one of his residences as well??? would that have changed things? maybe not, honestly... who knows? But if she had, she could have saved her son from killing Chelsea, and maybe saved him from a life behind bars. It may be far-fetched, but that's what I think... I dont' know if she can be held criminally responsible - it all depends on what she knew about what he was doing. I can't believe that she didn't feel something was wrong if he went home directly after attacking chelsea. He probably didn't look his mother in the eye - i don't believe him to be a pyschopath - if he was, he might be able to fool his own mother - (like btk, for example) - i believe him to be what he is, a violent sexual predator - and i'm sure he was giving off hints or clues that had his family been paying attention, they would know that he was getting restless or agitated, and then the day that chelsea went missing, he most likely would have been calm...

Also, on another note - i find this quote disturbing:
Oscar Hidalgo, spokesman for the department, previously said Gardner was considered to be a low- or moderate-risk sex offender, based on the assessment in use at the time.

how could they have classified Gardner as low to moderate risk if they had LISTENED to the qualified pyschologist who interviewed him and labeled him a threat to any neighborhood children??

The truth is that our LE will NEVER be able to properly check up on SO's. WE HAVE TO BE WATCHFUL OURSELVES... we have to educate ourselves as to who in our neighborhoods ARE SO's and we have to WATCH them - and REPORT when we see odd or unusual behavior - we have to help LE monitor them because SO's outnumber LE by far - they can't possibly keep up with them all...

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Re: Chelsea King -- Found Deceased 3/2/10 -- UPDATE: John Albert Gardner III admits he murdered Chelsea

Post by Piper on Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:34 pm

It's my understanding his mother works in the mental health field. I think she knew how deeply disturbed her son was. Afterall, he's back in the same home (his mother's) where the rape that sent him to prison occurred. You have to wonder if she ever asked him, are you complying, are you registered at this address. I know she cannot be blamed for his sick and disturbing behavior. And anyone can lie to you. But it's a click of a mouse to find out.

Do I think she's criminally responsible, no. I think she is reckless and morally wrong to permit him back into her home where he committed a horrible crime against a young girl. Most of these SO's that are released go straight back home to their mom. And you're right Tish, she knew what he was capable of.

Do I think she can be sued, no. Would it have changed anything if he had registered at her address......we will never know I guess. Chelsea King was the last one, but certainly not the first, to be subjected to pure evil from Gardner.

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Re: Chelsea King -- Found Deceased 3/2/10 -- UPDATE: John Albert Gardner III admits he murdered Chelsea

Post by Justice4all on Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:39 am

Woman tells of attack similar to San Diego teen's

By AP News
Wednesday, March 17, 2010

A 23-year-old woman allegedly attacked by a registered sex offender at the same park where he is accused of killing a San Diego teenager two months later said Tuesday that she believed he was going to rape her.

Appearing on CNN's "Larry King Live," Candice Moncayo said she'll testify against 30-year-old John Gardner, who has pleaded not guilty to assaulting her in December and murdering 17-year-old Chelsea King in February.

King's parents also appeared on the show and said it was painful to hear Moncayo's story.

"I am so glad she was able to fight him off," said Brent King, Chelsea's father. "It was very painful to listen to, though."

Moncayo said her assailant tackled her at the end of her run, pinned her to the ground and threatened to kill her. She screamed and he told her to shut up, but she refused. Moncayo told him if he wanted to rape her, he'd have to kill her first, she said.

"He told me that could be arranged," she said calmly.

He swore at her and shook her "like you're not supposed to shake a baby," then she bashed him in the face with her elbow, she said.

"He grabbed his face and turned away from me and yelled some things, and I got up and ran faster than I think I ever ran in my life," she said.

She described her attacker as a large man who stood out in the neighborhood park because he wasn't wearing workout clothes. Moncayo didn't say on the program how she came to recognize Gardner as the man she said attacked her.

The day after the attack, she went running again, this time with a pit bull.

"I felt if I didn't get back on the horse right away, that I never would," she said.

http://www.710knus.com/article.aspx?id=81701745-5ae6-4556-a6df-6da016867900&catid=0

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Re: Chelsea King -- Found Deceased 3/2/10 -- UPDATE: John Albert Gardner III admits he murdered Chelsea

Post by Piper on Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:48 am

Candice fought for her life, thank God she was able to get away from him. This monster should never have been walking the streets.

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