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Post by butterfly64 on Sat May 01, 2010 7:38 am

You be the Judge.

I need a few of you for your honest opinions here. I wasn't ever going to come forward with this because right now, only a few people have these. I was "praying' my tip of seeing Haleigh back in June would have been checked out but if it was, I would assume I would have been told "something" regarding it but never have.

I'm the one claiming I saw Haleigh back in June in Massachusetts. I am not the one from Abington who reported that Tip.

I have done so much investigating on this it isn't even funny. I can't even begin to explain to you how I came to the place I think I might have photos of Haleigh. Might that is..keep that in mind.

My story is too long and too detailed so for now, I will skip that part. what I need, are opinions!! Maybe someone can take my photos and enhance them. Please however, I am begging you. Do NOT put these photos all over the net!!!! that is critical to the investigation in case they are keeping my photos for what ever the reason. I need to trust you though. I need to trust you are only going to look and not share them with others. If I am wrong with this, then this is some other little girl and not haleigh and I wouldn't want to hurt someone else's family if I am wrong. These photos were taken back in November, days before Tommy got arrested. There's a photo I have that could look like Tommy in them but that is iffy.. the one's I think I have of Haleigh are more important. I noticed in the photos I have .. just recently because it was recently aired, that a blue ice cooler was taken out of the river, well.. there's a blue ice cooler in my photos too.

these photos were taken from a distance and it was raining out. I did some major spying on a place because all my work took me there. Again.. I could be WRONG but my gut is telling me it can not be ruled out. I will start by the first two people who enquire about my photos and I am taking a big leap with trust here.. please, for Haleighs sake, leave it to your opinions only. email me from this site with an email address of yours and I will forward what I have. Once you got them, give your opinions on them and come back here and tell me what you honestly think. Art Harris tried to tell me that I need to let Go because his sources tell me Haleigh is dead but I'm sorry, I do NOT believe that for one minute only because there have been NO remains, no arrests and no one telling the truth. I simply can't stand this wait any longer. Art Harris had viewed my photos prior to Haleigh being labeled as most likely dead and even he said they looked eerie and wanted my permission to forward them to his LE sources. Since then, I have not heard if this residence was checked out or not. I could drive there again and do some scopeing out but I am disabled and the rides are too hard on me. I certainly don't want to run into under cover agents if they in fact are sitting and watching.

So.. if you were me, what would you do?????? If you enquire about the photos and don't hear back from me, that's because two others already beat you to see them but I will make sure the two I let see, comes back to voice what they think on this board. I can't stress enough how important it will be not to share them.. so please, I am going to put trust into this. There are a lot of photos and only 12 can be sent at a time. I'll wait to hear from you.. and a huge thank you for checking them out. also, LE do have my photos, all was forwarded to the Sheriffs department in putnam county about a month or two ago.

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Post by butterfly64 on Sat May 01, 2010 1:10 pm

Just to update you, two from the board are viewing the pics and one thinks its her too. I will write up a story what I had witnessed each time we went there best I can.. this is so damn upsetting.. can someone tell me if a blue cooler in fact was taken out of the river when they had searched it?!

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Post by Estee on Sat May 01, 2010 1:32 pm

Butterfly...If I recall correctly, the cooler that you refer to was an item that LE Investigators were using...It was a piece of their equipment...

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Post by FystyAngel on Sat May 01, 2010 1:57 pm

I've been looking all over for the photo's but this is the only one I can find (so far) and yes, Estee, LE said it contained a sifter that they were using & brought there. I'm still looking for that article/video of it being said.



I think it was NG that first reported that it was a blue cooler that they found. I know I heard or saw something that LE said about it specifically & they claimed it was equipment that they brought to the river.

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Post by butterfly64 on Sat May 01, 2010 2:01 pm

you guys are all correct on the cooler because fystyangel cleared that one up.. here is my story to those photos.. and fystyangel, you can tell your thoughts to my photos here and ask what you want.. but I thought of more so read..

Ok, this is what happened each time we went to this residence.

The very first time..... we went closer to night time. We parked in the parking lot and didn't see anyone home. With in 10-15 minutes, a white Vehicle pulls up. A black guy goes to the sliding glass door. We decided to move because we couldn't see too good where we were sitting. so, we found another lot to park in but we were further away. We had binoculars though so we could see fairly well. About another 10 minutes goes by, the black guy comes out and so does this white girl. They are seen talking... two more minutes goes by, a white girl comes out of the main entrance, she hooks up with the black guy and gets into the white vehicle leaving the other girl at the slider. She's seen pacing back and fourth on her cell phone talking. 10 more minutes passes and that's when I noticed this little girl coming out of the main entrance. the girl on her cell motions for her to go back in. My heart was pounding just to witness a white little girl there.

A little more time passes and the girl on her cell gets into the white vehicle and they all leave. We figured nothing more was going to happen so shortly there after, we leave. While we are backing up and getting on the road to the complex, this Van drives by us slowly, two black guys peers over to look at us while we are making a right turn. In my rear view mirror I notice the van had stopped.. then I noticed them backing up.. we pulled over, I was nervous thinking they were going to question us but instead they just left. I found that suspicious just by the way they looked at us. On our way home it dawned on me, what if the girl on the cell was calling for someone to watch the little girl inside. I wished we didn't leave at the time.

Second time we went there, at one point I took my dog out to pee.. mind you, this was only the second trip and the first trip we were only there for maybe an hour if not shorter.. anyway, while I'm standing there under a tree, I notice the black guy walking past our car on what seemed like a nextel phone. It seemed like a walkie talkie device. As he walked by, he bent over just to look at our license plate. I immediately got back in the car and told hubby we better leave because someone is scopeing us out. but why I wondered? Is someone keeping their eye out on the very same residence?? We pulled out of the parking lot and went to the office to make it appear we were enquiring about rentals.. the place was closed but as I was walking back to the car, the black guy still had his eye on me. He was still talking on the phone from a distance but staring right at me.

The third time we went there we were only parked for about 20 minutes when I saw who appeared to fit the description of Haleigh. She had the long hair and her size seemed to be around the age of 5-6. this little girl kept looking out the sliding glass door. She appeared kinda sad best I can say that. ( photos were taken but sadly they can't make out her face). about 15 minutes later, this mexican guy is seen knocking at the door of the slider, he talks to a girl there but never acknowledges the little girl standing there. As soon as the mexican guy leaves.. the little girl is waving frantically to him goodbye. She is jumping up and down until he is completely out of sight and then she is seen standing there sad again. In viewing this little girl by binoculars, I could swear it was haleigh.. my heart was pounding like you would not believe but I know I need solid proof to report this to law enforcement here and even if they were to go to this residence, its not like the perps are going to say " here she is".. aside that, one has to be let in by being buzzed in unless someone went to the slider!!

the fourth time, nothing happened.. no one was there.

The fifth time, the little girl was seen inside by the slider. a very nice day and yet she was not seen outside. Two black guys came to the slider to drop off what appeared to be a bag of food and a bag of clothing. they never went inside though.. just talked at the slider, dropped the stuff off.. and then left. another young girl went to the slider, knocked.. and stood outside talking to an adult for a good five minutes before she was let in. one things for sure, we have yet to see this white little girl outside beyond that slider!!

last report I have and I'm not sure where this fits in.. wether it be in between the second or third trip...but I remember going there and parking in our usual spot, we waited for 45 minutes because all seemed dark inside.. slider curtain was closed, no lights seemed on.. the weather was very over cast so it looked very dark out.. it was around 3pm. A group of people came and spread out.. some went in by the main entrance and others went in through the slider but as time went on... I saw that little girl at the slider and yet for 45 minutes, it appeared no one was even home. Was that little girl left inside all by herself I wonder. she certainly didn't get in there when the group of people arrived and went different ways in. It amazes me how we had yet to see her outside.. it amazed me to see her take to this mexican guy when he didn't even act like she was there.. it also amazed me someone was checking out our plate by our second visit when no way someone was taking notice from the first. What about those two black guys in the van that peered over when we were making that right hand turn only to see them back up, turn around... and leave. Something very strange is going on at this residence for sure!!! not to mention my photos that I am shocked I can't be told either way if they have been checked out. I mean I get it.. LE would need solid proof. they would need a warrant to search as well. If Haleigh is at that address, no one is just going to hand her over!!! I am going to try it again very soon because I can't stand it anymore!! argghhhh!!

so to the two people who have my photos.. take a good look at the mexican guy.. the little girl went nuts when he was leaving.. also take a look at that young boy too.. I say that because I think of Jr. and I have no clue why he'd be all the way here but nothing could be over looked.. the reason I say to look at him.. is because look at his shirt.. notice the design in that shirt.. I had seen something similar to a photo that Jr was in with Crystal and that shirt he was wearing was a red checkered type shirt that was short sleeved with another long sleeve shirt under it.. the little boy that appeared in one of my photos with the two black guys.. look at his shirt.. same style just different color.. just a thought, can't over look anything when looking at them. .. now that I think of it, the two black guys dropped off bags of clothes and never went in.. that little boy was with them and left with them too. so if that was jr and haleigh was inside, they never even saw each other.. just a huge thought on that one.

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Post by LottieM on Sat May 01, 2010 5:30 pm

butterfly, very interesting, but you really need to be careful!

Some innocent looking places around where I live if you stop your car and park for one second the drug sellers are aware of it and several will watch and wait to see who is making the deal. If no one is making a deal, then they suppose you to be watching them.

In some neighborhoods off the main drag, if you drive through just to turn around or something, the drug sellers DO notice every strange car and will do the same as above.

I have cop friends who told me this after it happened to me in both a neighborhood and a residential area along a main street. I was driving through the neighborhood because I used to live there when I was 5 and was looking my old house. I stopped along side a main road where this happened to me when I dropped my cigarette in the floor and wanted to get it.

If these people are nervous about you being there, it might be drugs and not anything to do with Haleigh, so I just wanted to share.

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Post by FystyAngel on Sat May 01, 2010 7:48 pm

I am floored with the picturs. Not only do they look like HaLeigh...but the ones you point out that could possibly be Tommy, yes, you are correct. They certainly do look like him.

I, too, want to caution you. Be very careful.

Now, back to the photo's. I have been following your postings for quite some time, so I do know a little about how you got to the events, in which you found this place to take the photo's. The Croslins all look alike, so the ones that look like Tommy, really could be any Croslin (though it does appear to be him). The ears sort of give them away.

I'm having some issues with my finger this afternoon. I dropped a skillet & when I went to grab it, yes, dumb ass me, grabbed it with my left hand. Smacked my sore finger good! I'll write more later, after it stops throbbing.

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Post by Justice4all on Sat May 01, 2010 11:18 pm

I changed my screen resolution to 800 by 600 to make the pictures bigger and zoomed in on them, but they still weren't clear enough for me to say for sure whether the girl was Haleigh or not. It could have been her. The guy in the pics did resemble Tommy. I wish their faces had turned out clearer.

Like Fysty said, many of the Croslins look alike, so it could be another one. There is one problem if it was Tommy in the pictures. If he knew Haleigh was still alive, I don't think he would be sitting in jail making up some story about Joe throwing Haleigh in the river. What would he have to gain by protecting the people who were holding Haleigh in Massachusetts?

I hope that LE has checked out your lead butterfly. It may not turn out to be her, but I think it is worth checking into. If it's nothing, they can at least rule it out. If it is Haleigh, they can finally bring her home and put everybody's mind at ease.

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Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 8:23 am

Thanks for viewing. We too tried to blow them up but no luck. the reason why (blurred) is because the day we took those, it was raining out, we sat from quite the distance but we had zoom on the camera. Those pics were taken through the car windshield.

I certainly didn't go alone thats for sure and my protector does have a license to carry ( just saying) so no, I wasn't in any fear at all but thanks for the heads up.

Far as why Tommy wouldn't tell or not.. well now, who ever took Haleigh, if she is alive, Kidnapping is pretty much a life sentence and those involved are going down... forever and ever and ever ( had to add that. lol)

Far as LE checking it out, FBI here would never return my calls. I faxed over all information and said if they'd like to see my photos, they can come here to my house. This was well over four months ago.. back in November. Don't think they check it ALL out, I beg to differ with that one.

In listening to NG ( far as we can throw her) I was hearing on the 11-12 theory's? in one of those, it said that Timmy and Chelsea are hidding Haleigh. First time I heard of that theory. However, Timmy and Chelsea are two hours away from where I live now.. wait, closer to 3 hours. The residence I scoped is 40 minutes away but closer in their direction. The reason I got led to that residence is because that residence and Timmy's myspace groupies, shared the very same picture.. except the the residence the shared photo came from was on his bebo page and not myspace. The start to this residence was because of a guy who attended my doctors office who just happened to reside a stones throw away from Timmy and Chelsea to where the place here, and the place there, can not be ruled out its owned by the same person... did I just confuse everyone? going by memory. and it was my doctors office that I witnessed Haleigh at. ( in case others didn't know)... Too many coincidentals I'm telling ya.

I really believe it all boils down to Misty not saying she was asleep at the time. And Tommy who is rotting in jail who will say just about anything to where Misty would rather point the finger then implicate herself. Yes, she only left the trailer but it makes her responsible to what happened to haleigh being she should have been home that night. Misty doesn't dare report she was away due to worrying WHAT RON WOULD THINK. I feel like a broken record.. sorry. thanks again fystyangel and waiting4justice... just know, what I viewed in the binoculars when hubby was taking those photos .. I was 95% sure it was her! If I could only see her birthmark it would be solid!!

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Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 8:48 am

Far as Haleighs medical condition, Haleighs family knew her best and if she was that sick, they still wouldn't be holding out hope. I believe Ron had said Haleigh used an inhalor. Fairly easy for any adult to get her, then pass it on to a child. And do you even know... the guy I have "connected" to Haleigh at the docs, called in for an inhalor. I was in the other room waiting to be seen when I heard his name being mentioned while they talked. Now, I hardly think he drove three hours to get that inhalor, or.. did he drive less then half hours time. another coincidence? nurse told him she can give him a script for an inhalor. ... and when I heard that Name.. I was thinking what are the chances????

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Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 am

btw..the above post was this guy called into the office and I heard them ( he and staff) talking from another room. she spoke his name and then mentioned the inhalor and I sat there recognizing the name and thought.. hmmm, did haleigh need an inhalor.

One has to understand one thing, I will never forget the "look" that little girl gave me. I love all children because I'm just that type to try and get a child to smile when they look down. I was shocked to not only see her being carried in, but even more shocked to see her being carried out. "especially" because the young girl who brought her in was already walking a very very small child. It didn't look right. the young girl came in to use the bathroom and that was all. At some point, she would have had to put the bigger child down. so why pick her up again. Although the child, the one i thought was haleigh looked sad, she didn't appear to be sick. I tried to get her to smile and the stare she had, was what got me mezmerized to the point it dawned on me who she looked like exactly. Ever since then, I still have that look embedded in my brain. I can't let go of that until I hear Haleigh is found.

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Post by LottieM on Sun May 02, 2010 11:04 am

Let me see if I understand what you're saying, butterfly.

You think Haleigh is with family in Massachusetts?

And they are using some non-family person to get an inhalor for her?

And that by coincidence someone carried Haleigh in to the doctor's office, not to be seen but just so the person would use the bathroom there? And this is the same doctor's office the person getting the inhalor for her under their own name was?

Close? Or no banana for me? :)

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Post by LottieM on Sun May 02, 2010 11:41 am

In the mean time awaiting clarification by butterfly, I want to address the possibility that Haleigh is still alive at all.

I don't think she is!

Main reason, because if family of Misty had taken her they'd have no emotional reason to keep her alive once she became a liability. And it would be way too easy to kill her and hide her remains once they had her out of the area - like say, Massachusetts. Unless, they took her for a prank that snowballed out of control and can't bring themselves to kill her and also can't bring themselves to give her back. But I don't think the latter would be the case because once Misty called 911 about Haleigh being missing even the most dim-witted person on earth would have given her back straight away and at least lied and said Misty forgot she told them to babysit her. Just a big ole misunderstanding! ;)

If a stranger had abducted her while Misty was out of the trailer, then it's a sure bet in my mind that she'd have been snuffed out due to being too big a liability to risk being caught with.

I think Haleigh died on her little mattress, as part of her dying process she peed the bed and Misty washed the linens (as she said she washed her blanket)- explaining any pee on the mattress as she just peed the bed- and she got one of her cousins/brothers to come in and take Haleigh away during the night before Ron came home and found out she'd let Haleigh die. Little Junior saw the 'man in black' come into the room and take Haleigh away!

Did Junior say Haleigh woke up and wanted to know what was going on? No! Did he even say she grunted or moved or anything? No!

Junior's statement is the most truthful thing in this case. He saw a man come in and take (a seemingly comatose Haleigh) from her bed!

She was DEAD! From what? Drugs? Not having her inhalor? Who knows!

But let's wonder why Junior was awakened and not Haleigh?

It's no secret Ron used corporeal punishment on Haleigh (and probably on Junior too). It was said Misty called Ron at work because Haleigh would not go to bed that night! It was said Ron told Misty to whip her until she went to bed! Thus, it seems Ron encouraged beating his children. What does this mean in regard to Junior being awake, seeing Haleigh being taken away and just lying there awake watching?

With abuse cases where beatings are a normal event, sibs tend to keep quiet when the other is being punished for fear of being struck themselves to STFU! If Haleigh had been whipped the night before bed, Junior might be awakened to noises that night of talking and he may have seen someone come in and take Haleigh and just laid there pretending to be asleep so he didn't suffer some wrath if her beating that night was still fresh in his little mind.

Junior also said he heard the couch 'bouncing'. That's an odd word to use to describe the couch making noises from people flopping around on it. But for a child, who may like to jump/bounce on a couch, and having been told not to do it, if he heard the familiar sounds similar to when he 'bounced' on the couch, I think that is probably what he heard and it could have been Misty getting frustrated and plopping down in despair that night over and over as they figured out what to do with a dead child. Junior would have given it significance because of being reprimanded not to do bounce on the couch, so he added it because he saw 'something wrong' with it.

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Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 11:59 am

I don't believe a family member took Haleigh.. I think Misty was tricked into leaving by Nay Nay so Amber Brooks could get her revenge on both Misty and Ron. Did Amber have motive? You bet she did. Another coincidence to my story is that the cape cod guy who attends my doctors office last name is "brooks". If this is all coincidental.. I have never had so many coincidentals happen like this ever before. Again, only my theorys and only time will tell what really went down all together. Someone Amber knew as well could have taken her. When any crime is committed, the next that follows is "motive". Jmho

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Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 12:22 pm

the theorys to what I think happened to that are only theory's. but what I saw is not a theory. I was only trying to piece together how I thought I could have seen her at the office and that is all. This is what I do know.

1) A guy by the last name of Brooks attends my doctors office. Residents to this brooks guy Lives in W. Dennis. on Cape Cod. Chelsea and Timmy are in S. Dennis. On Cape Cod. From W. Dennis to my doctors office is a three hour drive * detective I spoke to said the distance was unusual.

2) the other name "brooks" is also in Oxford Ma. Is the Oxford Ma and the W. Dennis Ma the same person? the Brooks in Oxford shares the same photo with timmy. didn't see that (photo) for many months after seeing who I thought was Haleigh at my doctors office. It got me to investigate both residences to where one of them shows the little girl in the photo.

3) over heard a phone conversation between brooks and office staff. I was in another room waiting to be seen. The girl on the phone told brooks his cold was probably due to the dry air but will have him take albuterol ( which is an inhalor)

4) I found the last name "odd" .. brooks.. in so far its the same last name as Amber brooks. Does Amber have any off the wall relatives who would help her, who knows.. I don't know any of it other then to wonder how it was I was able to see a little girl that looked exactly like haleigh cummings back in June of 09.

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Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 12:33 pm

Also- The Brooks guy in W. Dennis- he resides in a runned down motel that was converted into condos. His daddy travels to Florida who owns the place. Found that out by a tenant who is renting. We acted like we were interesting in renting one to find out information. The father, who owns these runned down condo's, said he would call us on two different units. We never heard back from him at all. with that said, makes me wonder if the brooks in w. dennis was just staying there temporary while occupying the residence in Oxford. Ma. All could be theory's so who knows.

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Post by LottieM on Sun May 02, 2010 12:33 pm

Can you catch me up to speed, butterfly? What is Amber Brooks' motive? I haven't paid too much attention to this case.

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Post by LottieM on Sun May 02, 2010 12:36 pm

AJ said....
Lottie,

You have stated an allegation that I havet heard of ..you said...
"It was said Misty called Ron at work because Haleigh would not go to bed that night! It was said Ron told Misty to whip her until she went to bed!"

I have heard that it is alleged that Ron had called Misty many times that evening and she wud not answer his calls because of the fight .....

I realize LE has all the phone records ands cud have easily seen if their was communication between the 2 ...
I am wondering if this allegation was made by AH NG LP Cobra.. etc lol .. It is a new one..

Also, if Haleigh dies in the house, I did think the cadavers wud have hit on that and it is said that they didnt.. I believe they said they picked up her scent out the back to a path in the woods.... ??

It is a shame that IMO the CSI was done poorly and that the blanket from Haleighs bed (in which is alleged to have been tossed over a railing outside for the dogs to examine.. was ruined for much more possible evidence... I do believe if Haleigh had died in the house, there wud have been indicators of that and as far as I know there wasnt ..in fact on account that LE had called this a missing person, suggests to me that there was no suspicion of death at least not in the house... JMO


Hmm...good points! Let me think about it and will post back later! Daughter is on her way here with her dude so I have to go put a bra on! LOL

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Post by Estee on Sun May 02, 2010 12:40 pm

I don't know how you saw your Haleigh look alike...I thought I saw Caylee in Miami in Oct 2008 when I went there to take care of my daughter after surgery...I scrutinized every 2-4 year old child I saw and this girl I saw was a dead ringer for Caylee...Of course we all know now that there was no way it could have been her...I had my doubts...I even searched phone records for a Zenaida Fernandez-Gonsales...and to no avail went to Little Havana with a Spanish fluent person to ask if anybody knew her or Caylee...I certainly got some weird looks, but none the less did my part in her search...I sooo wanted Caylee to be found alive and I want Haleigh to be found alive too, but I'm afraid they are together laughing and playing and having a wonderful time and wondering why people can't just "let it be"...wait for the time of justice...I know it will come...WHEN is the big question....

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Re: YOU be the Judge

Post by butterfly64 on Sun May 02, 2010 12:41 pm

If Nay Nay or Amber took Haleigh or plotted for her to be taken.. unless they want "life" behind bars for kidnapping they are NOT going to talk. Is this maybe the reason why Nay Nay wrote the jail house letter claiming Haleigh over dosed on pills? to make it appear like the child died? to take the heat off those who have her? I find it odd that Nay Nay says and I quote " we supposively freaked out".. well, you either freaked out or you didn't. If they freaked out, Nay Nay would have just said " we freaked out".. Nay Nay made her letter out to be a story and if Nay Nay had no involvement at all or what so ever, why the need to even write such a letter. You keep mentioning that 35 thousand dollar reward... and yet 35 thousand to those who did it certainly are not going to say.. I did it nor are they going to blab to friends JMO. I'm sure those who are involved are not going to breathe a word to anyone and risk getting caught with a sentence for life. this is why I wanted that residence checked out. So someone can tell me "we checked it "..and it was nothing. I can't for the life of me know "exactly" what happened.. Alls I know is what I saw. Yes I have my suspicions but certainly doesn't mean I am right.

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