Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #2

sitemama wrote:I'm not too smart on this kind of thing, but would a baby's kidney work in an adult? I know my cousin was in Viet Nam and was exposed to Agent Orange, which destroyed his kidneys. He has had 3 transplants, one was from a brother and 2 from cadavers. The last two took quite a while to obtain, because not only did they have to find the matching blood types but also the size.

I wondered that too, mama....I googled it and finally found something...

Our study shows that infant en bloc kidney transplants grow rapidly and provide excellent function to the adult recipient.

http://www.jurology.com/article/S0022-5347%2801%2967743-7/abstract


PS...sorry about your cousin. My husband was exposed to AO too, but he was lucky.

Below are snippets taken from various places on this site:

http://www.transplant.bc.ca/index.asp


Living with a Kidney Transplant

Anti-rejection drugs
Rejection episodes
Infection
Medication and other costs

You must live in the lower mainland (close to Vancouver and VGH/SPH) for approximately three months following surgery so that you can be closely monitored. When you first leave the hospital, you will need to visit the clinic usually twice a week, and sometimes more frequently depending on the care you require. If you are from out of town, this is a major consideration and should be discussed prior to coming to Vancouver for transplant. For many, this involves both financial and emotional hardship. Discussion with your social worker prior to transplantation is key, and your social worker will work with you to establish a plan.

After six months, your clinic visits decrease to once a month, and eventually, to once every three to four months or less. The frequency of your follow-up visits to the clinic depends on your health and progress. This varies for each individual.

Benefits

Organ transplantation can literally be the difference between life and death for some patients. For others it represents a total transformation in their quality of life. For a kidney transplant recipient, it means freedom from kidney dialysis treatment - a treatment that is required 3 days a week for 4-hour sessions.

Organ transplantation also has a long-term economic benefit in reducing patient care costs. The typical kidney dialysis treatment cost approximately $50,000 a year, while a kidney transplant costs about $20,000, plus about $6,000 a year for the immunosuppressants (anti-rejection medication).

Q: Is age a factor in organ donation?

A: The quality of the organ is more important than the age of the donor. The important thing is that people of all ages should make their wishes known to their families.

Q: Is organ transplantation expensive?

A: The vast majority of transplant surgeries in BC are for kidneys, and kidney transplantation actually saves money. Kidney dialysis costs $40,000 to $50,000 per year. On the other hand, a successful kidney transplant costs approximately $20,000 for the surgery and $6,000 per year for the follow-up cost of the immunosuppressants. Cost savings are about $150,000 per transplant patient over a five year period.

Being a Living Donor
What Makes a Good Donor?
While many people are willing to be living donors, not everyone has the qualities necessary to participate in living donation. Donors must be chosen carefully in order to avoid outcomes that are medically and psychologically unsatisfactory.

At a minimum, all potential donors must be genuinely willing to donate, physically fit, in good general health; and free from high blood pressure, diabetes, cancer, kidney disease and heart disease. Beyond these basic requirements, a representative from the transplant center will meet with the potential living donor to discuss the donor’s individual circumstances and to conduct compatibility tests.

Individuals considered for living donation are usually between 18-60 years of age. Gender and race are not factors in determining a successful match.

http://www.transplantliving.org/livingdonation/livingdonor/gooddonor.aspx

Calypso wrote:Her marriage to Kaine is what eluded us. Our understanding was Desiree filed for Divorce from Kaine when she was 8 months pregnant with Kyron.

I find this perplexing considering at this time in a womans life, you're getting ready to physically give birth and you want the nursery fixed up, you're having a baby shower, getting things ready for the baby. You're nesting instinct is kicking in.

Here, Deisree is filing for Divorce. And also a Restrainging Order because she feared Kaine would take the children- even though Quinn is not Kaine's biological son.

The statement she made in her letter to Kyron opens up a Pandora's box of questions:

"A long time ago you saved my life and now I am going to do the same for you."

While this made me go cold all over, I'd have to discount it for a very simple reason.

*IF* this were true, wouldn't Desiree have pointed the very first finger at Kaine?

JAG...good point, but Terri would be easier to blame because Terri was the one taking Kyron to school....and she could hurt Kaine in the process.

Here is a pdf file which discusses the donor consent issue (page 6) as well as the minimum age of consent (pages 6 and 7).

http://www.ccdt.ca/english/publications/background-pdfs/Living_Organ_Donation_Consent_Caulfield.pdf

Basically, the living donor has to comprehend the process and long term issues associated with the transplant/donation.

Some providences say the legal age for a living donor is 16, others 18 and another at 19. The issue is the consent aspect.

JAG wrote:

Calypso wrote:Her marriage to Kaine is what eluded us. Our understanding was Desiree filed for Divorce from Kaine when she was 8 months pregnant with Kyron.

I find this perplexing considering at this time in a womans life, you're getting ready to physically give birth and you want the nursery fixed up, you're having a baby shower, getting things ready for the baby. You're nesting instinct is kicking in.

Here, Deisree is filing for Divorce. And also a Restrainging Order because she feared Kaine would take the children- even though Quinn is not Kaine's biological son.

The statement she made in her letter to Kyron opens up a Pandora's box of questions:

"A long time ago you saved my life and now I am going to do the same for you."

While this made me go cold all over, I'd have to discount it for a very simple reason.

*IF* this were true, wouldn't Desiree have pointed the very first finger at Kaine?

Maybe she did.
However, Terri was the primary caretaker and the last person allegedly seen with Kyron.
Desiree had a history with Kaine, good or bad. She didn't have a history with Terri.

I just wonder if any doctor would take a brand new baby's kidney and transplant it to the mother....to save her life, maybe they would.

I do recall that family that deliberately had a second child just so the child could (I think it was...) give her older sister bone marrow. No one asked the child if it was ok! She was a baby....the parents signed off on it. There was even a Lifetime Movie made about it because it was so controversial.

I knew what you were getting at which is why I posted the above link.

I can honestly say

Actually, did the mother have other options?

Dialysis?

Cadaver transplant?

People have 2 kidneys also.

We just don't know enough about Dez's kidney issues! ;)

I just don't get why she went to Canada unless it was for a transplant. She could have gotten dialysis in the USA...but like that one article said, Canada will do a transplant a whole lot earlier in kidney disease before the USA will. The USA will wait and wait and do dialysis as long as it's working no matter how inconvenient and costly it is. But Canada will cut the costs and do the transplant and be done with it.

Also, in researching, I've found that both kidneys go bad at the same time.

Also, in researching, I've found that both kidneys go bad at the same time.

That I didn't know.

Maybe this new forum is good for me....... :)

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100714/UPDATE/100714038

Food for thought:

*snipped from article...


On Tuesday, a judge consolidated the restraining order and divorce into one case.
Young has said Terri Horman was supposed to drive Kyron to Eugene on the day he disappeared to turn him over to her and Tony Young to spend the weekend in Medford.
On Tuesday, Young told “Today” she had to work the day of the science fair, and is racked by guilt that she wasn’t there.

“To know that I was four and a half hours away when he needed me to protect him,” Desiree Young said, “the fact that I had to work that day instead of going to the science fair like I wanted to, that I feel guilty for, too.”

She said Kyron was unhappy in his father and stepmother’s house, and resisted being returned there.

“Kyron became increasingly unhappy about not spending time with me,” Young said. “He wanted to come and live with us. Several times he would just break down and just sob because he wanted to stay.”


If Kyron was so upset and crying about going back to his father's house, wouldn't ANY mother confront the father?

Would this not require and inquiry?

Needed assistance in finding this (Thx, Pandora):

A gift from police helps Kyron Horman's mother cope

July 07, 2010 5:48 PM

MEDFORD, Ore. -- Desiree Young is living a nightmare. Her child, 7-year-old Kyron Horman, is missing.

But she's not going through the pain alone.

She carries a small piece of comfort with her everyday, and she wears it around her neck.

"This is a police shield we got when Kyron went missing, it talks about strength and courage and I wear it everyday," she said.

A fellow Medford Police Department officer drove to Portland when the search started around June 4th to give the family the shield.

Desiree says she hasn't taken it off since.

Lt. Bob Hansen says Desiree is part of the "family of blue," the Medford Police Department, her hometown police force and her husband's brotherhood.

"That's a little bit of a connection that person needs, somebody else comes about and is thinking about them and that memento hits a cord or special note with them and that's what its there for," says Lt. Hansen.

Kyron's stepfather, Det. Tony Young said, "they have bent over backwards not only to assist us like a family but too anything regarding this case for us."

A "family of blue," who's also missing a son.

If you have any information about Kyron call 503-261-2847 or 911 if it's urgent.
I noted someone had asked about a medical alert necklace Desiree was wearing. Desiree also wears this item.

http://www.ktvl.com/articles/police-1196055-kyron-desiree.html

Calypso, I think that is what some thought was a medical alert necklace. I don't think she is wearing a medical alert necklace, just the one mentioned above.

Kyron Horman's Father Says 'Small' Chance of Wife Being Innocent

By MIKE von FREMD and SARAH NETTER
PORTLAND, Ore., July 9, 2010 —

**Culled from article....

But, he noted, there is the chance that she's been telling the truth -- that she has no idea where her stepson may be.

"That's entirely posible," he said. We've never heard anything from an evidence stand point that Terri knows where Kyron is."

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=11124144

WOW! So sad, the LAST TWO SENTENCES of the article!!

Between my trip to Florida & being in the hospital...I'll be honest...I don't have many of the actual "details", other than what I see posted here. I guess I'm a little surprised how quickly, so many are jumping on both parents.

I do understand that the stepmoms whereabouts are in question & she hasn't been readily available for LE. I also understand a few other details but not too many.

As I go through the articles to try to catch up...the wonderful news hits the media stations, about the little 7 yr old girl, who was found safe & sound after so many years! It makes me think of Kyron...and HaLeigh too, actually. I can pray & hope that something like this happens to them as well. (Being found...safe).

Hello FystyAngel,

I sure hope you are feeling better.

Everything to this point has been either leaked to the media, or stated by Kaine, Desiree and Tony to the media. LE has made few statements to date.

When the Daniel Staton, Multnomah's Sheriff, made the statement that "The family was cooperating", Desiree negated his statement by saying "Terri is not cooperating".

Because Desiree is the biological mother (and her husband is a cop), there isn't much of an investigation going on about her specifically.

Desiree is the one who brought forth the allegations against Terri in the media, not LE.

None of us know where Kyron is or who took him.

What LE did say was "Everyone is a person of interest" and really, until Kyron is located and there are some answers, that is the way it should be.

(and I'm too tired to go hunt for links right now)

OCD kicking in, can't leave things half done:

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Sheriff: Horman investigation not stalled, 2,877 leads

Last Update: 2:56 pm

PORTLAND -- Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said Friday that the Kyron Horman investigation was in no way stalled, and that 20 detectives from his office and other agencies including the FBI were on the case 24/7.

Investigators were operating under the premise that Kyron is still alive.
There have been 2,877 valid leads and about 60 percent of them have been covered. Each lead takes detectives in a new direction, making it difficult to pursue the remaining leads faster, he said.

"Everyone is a person of interest," Staton said in response to questions about any specific individuals.

Staton added that there were no "serial patterns" that indicated a threat to the community.

He could not coment on the report Terri Horman lied to investigators and said to his knowledge, she had been cooperative.

Staton called the investigation "unique," in the fact that it involved interviews from so many children, parents and school staff.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story...O7OzStIMw.cspx

Sheriff: Terri Horman being cooperative

July 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM PDT
Updated: July 2, 2010 at 6:13 PM PDT
Anna Song KATU News
KATU.com Staff

Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, has been fully cooperating with law enforcement, according to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton Friday.

http://www.katu.com/news/97705124.html?