Re: Theories

by Armymom on Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:09 am

johnabelle wrote:This is a sample of a couple of very rude comments I received from another site. Since there weren't very many people with open minds there, I thought when I begin posting, that some might change their attitude if I pointed out some things they may not have seen before. If you've ever been to this site, you'll understand why some of my comments are not so nice. There were other comments prior to these.

[Nurse Ratchet's response to my post on Blinks report]

Long article, (AKA- BS, effluent, smegma douchebaggery bullshit)(1)

No one cares Sherry. Come with your own thoughts, or don't come at all.

Condense, summarize, abridge, recap, outline- whatever.(1)

We can all click on a link and read it if we want.

SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY, SHERRY

or dont...

(1) summarize: see example above

[My comment]
It doesn't matter what I say. Most of it has been ignored on this and other sites. And you are right about one thing, If you cared about the truth, you'd be looking at all sides of the story, not just the ones that fit your "Terri is guilty" theory. You'd take all those inconsistencies and lies apart regardless of who or where they came from.[I'm referring to Kaine & other suspects]

I'm going to say this and then I'm going to find somewhere to post where people have reasoning abilities: Portland is Porn country according to all media reports, so I get the idea this is not uncommon behavior there. What Terri did after Kaine through her out is her business. I don't approve of her sex-texting, if in fact it is proven they weren't sent by Mike or Kaine, but it does not mean she had anything to do with Kyrons disappearance.

And it is very obvious that most of you on this site have never experienced severe trauma in your lives. Be careful how you judge another. For with the same measure that you judge another, so shall you be judged.

[I forget who made this comment]
have fun in your new home but dont forget your big girl panties or big boy underroos with brown pants...you will need them no matter where you land...there is no land where she will not be arrested and charged...unless we are talking pretend alternate lands where everyone dresses up and role plays their fantasies...no matter how good the fantasy is you have to come back to reality sometime...maybe we'll see you when you do...enjoy it while you can its not too much longer until truths hit the mainstream buh bye

[My comment]
Don't insult me, it shows your lack of itelligence. I understand how this game being played on Terri better than you might think. I've had it played before on me by a man that would make Kaine look like an amature. What happens to this site when it's proven Terri is innocent? Does it disappear? I hope not, you need to come back often and read to learn from your mistakes.

Just came back to add the following.

Law prof and cop agree: never ever ever ever ever ever ever talk to the cops about a crime, even if you're innocent

Cory Doctorow at 3:21 PM Monday, Jul 28, 2008

In a brilliant pair of videos, , Prof. James Duane of the Regent University School of Law and Officer George Bruch of the Virginia Beach Police Department present a forceful case for never, ever, ever speaking to the police without your lawyer present. Ever. Never, never, never

[link to boingboing.net]

Terri Horman cooperated with the police until she hired an attorney, but has not been named a suspect or a person of interest by the police. There are some people who believe Terri is Guilty because she hired an attorney, who probably advised her to stop talking. After watching these tapes, if you were accused of something, even if you were innocent, what would you do?

[SoCal]
WOW!!! you call it a game that she PLANNED AND MURDERED a child? really? and that happened to you too? and you are free? how did that happen? maybe you could post the name of your defense attorney in case she needs a back up...because they DO have evidence on her...maybe they didnt have enough on you...OR they arrested you sooner than they should have and you got off on a technicality? inquiring minds wanna know...

[and she said that, and she doesn't have a clue what I'm referring to]

[My comment]
It hasn't been proven that Terri planned and murdered anybody. I haven't committed any crimes, but I know a man who has and in an attempt to discredit anything I've said, he turned my family, and friends against me and it's taken me years to recover. He had at least for sometime convinced LE I had a mental problem. That's all the information you get about me. This is about Kyron, not me.

This article is posted on GLP in it's entirety, but I removed it here to save space because it's already on the board here. GLP posters choose not to believe what Tanner stated that Mrs. Porter said.
[link to www.koinlocal6.com]

[SoCal]
publicly...yet...the rest I am not going to bother with again...you will believe whatever you want to as is your choice...I did think you were leaving though...

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This is one of the comments GLP quotes
"you can't compare apples to oranges" --is one of their favorite to discredit what someone may point out, who has suffered from an abuser who may know something from experience.

IMO
To that I could say it's a matter of perception. Apples and Oranges may be a different color, texture, and one may be juicer than the other, but they are both fruit and have many of the same vitiams and both are good for you. An exception is that someone can eat an apple, but be allergic to oranges.

You don't have to have been through the exact experience that Terri is going through to see why she may be reacting the way she is to Kyron's disappearance or to see and understand certain things about Kaine that look suspicious. If you've ever known someone cruel, then you know how you reacted in similiar situations and you know manipulation when you see it. Experience is a great teacher. That doesn't mean Terri is innocent because I know I am, or that I'm guilty if it turns out she is, [which IMO could only happen based on evidence LE has, not what is known by the public] or that I'm biased because of my experience. It's just that certain things one has experienced are not so easy to overlook.

What I don't understand though, is having been through a bad experience, if I'm willing to keep an open mind, why are others refusing to even consider the possibility that there may be another suspect or explanation as to what happened to Kyron? And not only that, you have to endure insults and accusations, as if you committed the crime yourself. Some have given up trying to reason the possibilities with Terri bashers. It's as though Kaine supporters are trying to wear down any one who disagree's with them, in hopes that the case will just go away. What are these people trying to hide or keep others from finding out? They aren't kidding anybody but themselves. I may or may not post on GLP again. This is one of the worst sites I've found, but I'm not going to just forget about Kyron. There are other sites I can and do post on. You don't find the attitude on RC that you find on the others.

Believe me Johnabelle, I wasn't trying to be rude to you (although I never quoted you) I was trying to point out the inconsistencies in the post from the psychic board in hopes it would click in the mind of purpleprincess (whom I did quote) and others.
I'm sorry you went through such a traumatic time with your ex. I sincerely hope things are finally resolved between you, your family and friends and that they see the truth in what he tried to do to you. I also hope he got the punishment he deserved.

by johnabelle on Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:47 pm

Hi Armymom,

I don't get upset because people have a different viewpoint than me. It's the personal attacks like the one's I received on GLP that I have a problem with. I might sometimes sound a little defensive, but I honestly don't mean to be rude to anyone. On GLP there's a lot of insults from many of the posters toward those who don't share their "Terri is guilty" theory and an "air of celebration" and "vindictiveness" and I don't think their attitude is appropriate.

Most of the issues regarding my family have been resolved. It's not as it used to be, but it's okay. I lost some friends, but then again, I came to realize some of them were never really friends to begin with. They were using me for personal gain. As for the man I'm referring too, No I could never prove anything on him, but I don't doubt he'll meet with Justice someday.

I hadn't paid any attention to the "tip line" clue, because I had read somewhere that the person who reported the incident had called it in to LE that morning, when it happened. I also read LE was already in the area because of a tragedy that involved someone people on Sauvie Island knew, which I later read was a drowning. But the stories involving the car's color, tag, etc., changed as time went on and I didn't believe Terri was there even if it had been proven to be her red mustang. Someone said recently, within the last week, on one of the sites, that someone from this Island knew it was Terri because they saw her and she came there all the time to buy steroids. I don't believe that either.

by Maat on Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:23 pm

There are a few people who know someone who knows someone who is related to someone who knows someone who's old friend from high school second cousin knows someone who once lived in a state near Oregon and knows someone who once pumped gas at a station near the same town where Terri got her hair done once in 1990 and they told them X-Y-Z, so it must be true. And that is their reliable source that backs up the storyline they are touting.

Still, no real evidence and Kyron is still missing. Rumors are rumors and spread quicker than anything. After all, if you have an interesting story, people love to hear it and share it. If you tell someone you had a normal day, they don't share that. It's not all that interesting.

by Velocity on Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:29 am

purpleprincess wrote:
My theory
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1. Kyron's disappearance was planned well in advance, with more than 3 people involved.
Evidence: Terri read "Enter a Murderer" by Ngaio Marsh, about a meticulously well planned murder
She gave it lots of stars!!
See http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/rdsqrl/available
So you can follow better, I have mapped out the journey I think Terri made that day in two parts.
1) http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109872711745862717538.0004907d932bdc99fd16d&t=h&z=11&iwloc=0004907d9330dd30a7bbf
2) http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109872711745862717538.0004907dbb926f09e6655&ll=45.583677,-122.901933&spn=0.104041,0.307274&t=h&z=12

2. Terri's mission on the day of the disappearance was to create as much confusion about all
events that day as possible.
Evidence: Confusion about doctors appointment. Terri drove the White Pickup instead of her usual car
(the Mustang) to the school. Many other confusing aspects (read on for details)
3. Terri chose Dede as her accomplice to add to the confusion.
Evidence: Dede has red hair so when Dede was driving the White Pickup truck, everyone would think it
was Terri

[Note that I believe that Terri picked
up Dede before arriving at the school in the morning although it is possible she picked her up after
leaving the school at 8 (as I don't know where on the journey the pickup was, and I dont know where
she was picked up - could have been from home or from her place of work - I have just added
NW Germantown Rd to the end of the map, and it is not actually part of the driving directions. I assume
that Terri dropped off Dede on the way home from the gym at around 1pm too, but I do not know that so I again
have simply added the location to the map but not put it into the driving directions)]

4. Terri arrived at the school at around 8:15am and left at around 8:45am. Meanwhile, Dede turned up for work and left her car in a clearly seen place so everyone thought she was working somewhere out in the fields near work (of course, in reality, Terri picks up Dede at some point in time before 9am)
Evidence: Terri states these times, and a number of witnesses saw Terri at the Science Fair. Photos
Terri took at the Science Fair confirm she was there with Kyron during this time. Dede's car was seen
parked at the farm all morning until 1pm (not sure what time Dede's car arrived in the morning - if anyone knows exact time please tell me - this is why Dede claims she was at work all morning and never left the property - it is such a big property noone would know she left)
5. Terri (accomplice now in the White Pickup truck too) left the school at sometime after 8:45am
(before 9am) in the White Pickup truck WITHOUT Kyron** (note that my original theory was that Kyron WAS in the truck at this point but now I am moving away from that).
Evidence: Tanner Pumala and other boys saw Kyron at the Science Fair AFTER 8:45am without Terri. Witnesses saw Terri leave at around 8:45am (plus it takes 12-15 mins to drive to Freddies)
6. Terri (accomplice still in the white pickup truck) drove to Freddies 1 (Hillsboro Sunset see Map http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109872711745862717538.0004907d932bdc99fd16d&t=h&z=11&iwloc=0004907d9330dd30a7bbf)
in the White Pickup arriving at around 9:08am and checking out at around 9:12am
Evidence: Receipt plus I understand security camera footage
7. Terri drove to Intel and got into the Red Mustang from Intel Jones Farm at 9:22am approx (see map
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109872711745862717538.0004907d932bdc99fd16d&t=h&z=11&iwloc=0004907d9330dd30a7bbf)
Evidence: No security camera footage that day of Intel car park. Mustang was later seen at 11am on Sauvie Island and Terri was driving. Tag was reported to cops as RDSQRL.
8. **Originally, I thought that Terri took Kyron with her at 8:45am when she left the school, and dropped
him off at Hillsboro airport to accomplice number 3 at this point (around 9:30am). I am now unsure about this, as I believe Kyron was still at the school at this point and was seen by other kids there - there is supposedly video camera evidence now that Kyron was still at the school at this point, so I am thinking now that this is not the case, though it is still a possibility.
9. **I now believe that the Accomplice (Dede?), now drives the white pickup truck back to the school, with Terri's cellphone in the white pickup truck (which is why cops were so confused about Terri's whereabouts early on in the investigation - her cellphone pings suggested she was in the white pickup but actually she was in the mustang) arriving at around 9:30/9:40 ish and parks in Skyline School car park in a position visible from the Gym windows. People in the Gym assume it is Terri in the car as she has red hair and is in the White Pickup truck. Kyron gets into the white
pickup truck. I also believe that it is the accomplice (Dede?) who is seen in the white pickup truck near Logie Trail rd on Hwy 30 by "Chas" (he reports seeing a redhead in a white pickup truck at 9:45am approx).
Evidence: Number of witnesses say they saw Kyron leave with Terri but it appears none saw it was Terri up close - they all saw Kyron get into Kaine's white pickup truck and saw a redhead in the truck and assumed it was Terri. It could not be Terri as by this time she was nearly at Freddies 2.
Chas sighting see http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?s=160734f986fd10b5d1e1db7e03307bed&p=5514950#post5514950

10. Terri arrives at Freddies 2 (SW Walker Rd) driving the red mustang at some time between 9:30am and 9:45am. She is there til around 10:10am.
Evidence: Terri is seen by Andrea, who works at Xtreme Fitness and knows Terri fairly well. Andrea believes she saw Terri at around 9:45 - 9:55am. Note that Andrea also states that when she saw Terri,
Kiara is in her arms at this point and she shows Andrea photos of Kyrons science project, making a big point of that so that Andrea doesnt forget! Also, Terri states she left Freddies 2 at around 10:10am. I believe Terri intentionally went to Freddies 2 because she knows a lot of people there - including Sherri who works there and lots of Xtreme Fitness attendees go to that Freddies.. She wanted to be sure she was seen to be there.
11. 10:10am til 11:10am ish, Terri drove the Mustang up the backroads to Sauvie Island and drove fast and recklessly to ensure that she would be spotted.
Evidence: a number of residents of Sauvie Island saw the Mustang speeding around and reported it to cops - including tags (RDSQRL) just as Terri hoped they would.
Reports of the Red Mustang being on Sauvie Island that day (posted June 26th)
http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=490
(posted June 23rd)
http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&p=381#p381
http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&p=383#p383

12. 11:20-30am ish
Terri drove back to the gym Xtreme Fitness and checked in (I believe she left Kiara in the daycare there)
Evidence: Terri claims this, witnesses at the gym saw her check in
13. 11:30am ish Terri calls Dede and tells her to meet her at Intel so they can take back the Mustang again.
Evidence: Dede abruptly left her work place and is not contactable until around 1pm.

14. They take the Mustang back at around 11:45 and then at around 12 noon, Terri returns to the gym. At this point, Dede may wait in the white pickup in the car park for Terri to finish I believe. After finishing her "workout" I believe that Terri drives Dede back to her place of work before going home to the Horman house.

**Note that my original theory was based on the idea that Terri took Kyron with her at 8:45am from the school and dropped him off at Hillsboro airport shortly afterward. I had assumed that after Dede dropped Terri off at Intel to get the Mustang, Dede hid the white pickup truck somewhere (maybe even at the Horman house) and just went to work.. Now it seems that actually maybe Kyron left the school with Dede, and that all of Terri's antics were simply to create a diversion and lots of confusion.

SPECULATION..
So all we know about what the accomplice (Dede?) did was that she was on Hwy 30 somewhere North of Nw Logie Trail Rd at 9:45am. So why would she be out there? It is not on the way home from Intel to the school, nor to her workplace nor to her home. My guess is that she either dropped Kyron off at a houseboat further up Highway 30 or she dropped him off at the airport in Scappoose.
See what I think Dede's map of that day may look like here
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=109872711745862717538.0004911a30a1849e9bb7d&doflg=ptm&ie=UTF8&ll=45.661087,-122.883453&spn=0.415588,1.229095&t=h&z=10
It seems LE doesnt agree with me though - they seem to think that Dede went to Troutdale airport - but
that wouldnt explain why she was seen on Highway 30 north of Logie Trail Rd???

SPECULATION
=========
For many reasons, I believe that Terri could not have done this without at least two accomplices' help - someone to take Kyron from the school or to drive the white pickup truck at least - PLUS someone to then take Kyron (either at Hillsboro Airport or somewhere up Highway 30 -Scappoose Airport or at a houseboat up that way - or if LE is right maybe at Troutdale Airport).
Because any of those scenarios probably relies on others being involved too (i.e. the pilot of a private plane to take Kyron from either of the airports or else someone else to send Kyron to after the houseboat) I believe this whole thing is part of a much larger organization. Lake Oswego country club keeps coming up in my research and so I believe that maybe all those involved met via that location possibly. I have various theories about the larger organization - it may be the Freemasons, it may be an underground organization that helps get abused children away to "safety" (see theory below), it may be a Mexican drug cartel (maybe the Villareal family is linked to the drug king pin Villareal recently arrested).

Someone else has a similar theory to me

diane145579 said on August 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM

MY THEORY IS THAT TERRY GOT INVOLVED WITH A ORGANIZATION WHO HELP YOU WHEN YOUR BEING ABUSED OR THE CHILDREN(UNDERGROUND) I BELIEVE THAT TERRY HAD TOLD SOMEONE THAT HER HUSBAND WAS ABUSIVE OR THAT KYRON WAS BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED AND THEY GOT HER IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO KNOWS SOMEONE IN THIS ORGANIZATION AND THEY PUT KYRON IN HIDING, OR AS THEY SAY UNDERGROUND... TERRY HAS BEEN PLANNING THIS FOR YEARS AND SHE FINALLY FOUND A WAY OUT WITHOUT GIVING UP KYRON(SO SHE THINKS) MY THEORY SOUNDS FUNNY BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE INFO IT WILL MAKE SENSE. LIKE THE MONEY ISSUE, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN HAVE MONEY FOR THIS PURPOSE AND THE ORGANIZATIONS DON'T HAVE TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SO THEY TELL THESE WOMAN NOT TO TALK.I REALLY THINK THIS THEORY IS POINT ON. I THOUGHT THIS THEORY WHEN THE BOY CAME UP MISSING AND EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IS COMING TRUE.. I TOLD MY MOM NEXT THEY WILL BUY PRE PAID CELL PHONES IN SOMEONE ELSE IS NAME... WEIRD

http://www.kgw.com/news/Who-is-DeDe-Spicher-99118324.html

Could it have been that Terri could have picked DeDe up on a back road somewhere near the place of work where DeDe was working?

by IslandGirl on Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:43 am

Armymom wrote:
purpleprincess wrote:
Maat wrote:Sadly, these stories change depending on who thinks they can get the most mileage out of reporting what they 'saw' that day. Some people are creating 'reports' in an effort to help solve the crime. They change over time to add a little fact here, or make a blue car turn red, or to suddenly 'remember' the tag number. It makes all these late reports worthless.

We need to read the initial reports ONLY when trying to determine what was really happening. Back when people thought it was a stranger abduction. Why? Because then people were reporting what they really saw in an effort to find this child. Now, they are reporting what they think happened in order to convict Terri.

I agree totally, which is why the Sauvie Island sightings are so key - the mustang and the tag number was reported on June 4th at around 11am - before anyone realized Kyron was missing

The vehicle was SEEN at 11 am on June 4th, not reported at 11 am. The clue? before anyone realized he was missing-
As you can see from the actual person who posted about the sighting, it was reported to the "TIP LINE" and we can all agree the "tip line" hadn't been established at 11 am.

http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=190

Post subject: Re: Kyron HormanPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:12 am

Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:30 pm
Posts: 145
Location: Sauvie Island
We know for a fact that Kyron's step mom was on Sauvie Island. Not only the cell phone, but eye witness reports that she was out here driving very fast and crazy. There was also another vehicle with her. He drove off the road, due to the speed they were both driving. This was reported to the tip line from people who live on the island and seen this take place. It was the morning that Kyron went missing.

If she was on Savie in the red mustang at 11:00, could she get the car back to Intel and then to the Gym by 11:20 or 11:30 (I can't recall which time it was atm)?

by Mircea on Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:16 pm

IslandGirl wrote:If she was on Savie in the red mustang at 11:00, could she get the car back to Intel and then to the Gym by 11:20 or 11:30 (I can't recall which time it was atm)?

No, that would impossible.

It depends exactly on which Intel facility (there are several) but generally it's 17 miles "as a crow flies."

Best average speed given traffic signals, stop signs, other vehicles etc would be 40 mph, so that's a no-go.

The Intel parking lots are quite massive and would take 5 minutes or more alone just to enter, navigate through, swap vehicles, and navigate back to the entrance.

Also Sauvie Island is the cell-phone base station, meaning it has the computer hardware to run the software that records all the data for billing information and signal connection. If you want location data, you have to go to the base station because the other cell-phone towers are just that; towers. They do not have computer hardware to store billing information and other data. The fact that the police were at the cell-phone base station on Sauvie Island in no way proves anyone was ever there. It only proves the police went there and met a contractor for the service provider who down-loaded the data the police wanted.

by Maat on Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:45 pm

Mircea? Are you saying people have been spreading false rumors about TH? Say it isn't so!

In all seriousness, thank you for adding some logic to this nonsense people keep spouting about musical cars and tag team drivers and all. The convoluted stuff some people are spreading would be really useful in fertilizing the pastures around here.

by IslandGirl on Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:18 pm

Mircea wrote:
IslandGirl wrote:If she was on Savie in the red mustang at 11:00, could she get the car back to Intel and then to the Gym by 11:20 or 11:30 (I can't recall which time it was atm)?

No, that would impossible.

It depends exactly on which Intel facility (there are several) but generally it's 17 miles "as a crow flies."

Best average speed given traffic signals, stop signs, other vehicles etc would be 40 mph, so that's a no-go.

The Intel parking lots are quite massive and would take 5 minutes or more alone just to enter, navigate through, swap vehicles, and navigate back to the entrance.

Also Sauvie Island is the cell-phone base station, meaning it has the computer hardware to run the software that records all the data for billing information and signal connection. If you want location data, you have to go to the base station because the other cell-phone towers are just that; towers. They do not have computer hardware to store billing information and other data. The fact that the police were at the cell-phone base station on Sauvie Island in no way proves anyone was ever there. It only proves the police went there and met a contractor for the service provider who down-loaded the data the police wanted.

That's what I thought too, not to mention moving car seats and lugging around a 18 mos old.....the red mustang (IF it was Terris's ) could have only been there if Kaine was driving IMO.

I don't for a second believe she was on the Island in the red mustang, urban legend from all those who are concerned with making the evidence fit a theory versus letting the evidence lead them to the truth. I think LE would like to wrap it up in a nice bow and of course only Terri could be guilty or the city/county would be exposed to a lawsuit in regards to lax security at the school and of course they had tunnel vision from the first day, now whomever did this has a 6 month lead on them and I see it as cold as ice with no chance of being solved unless there is something they haven't leaked to the unofficial spokesperson(s) Kaine and Dezy

by Mircea on Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:51 pm

Maat wrote:Mircea? Are you saying people have been spreading false rumors about TH? Say it isn't so!

In all seriousness, thank you for adding some logic to this nonsense people keep spouting about musical cars and tag team drivers and all. The convoluted stuff some people are spreading would be really useful in fertilizing the pastures around here.

I did look at GoogleEarth. All of the Intel facilities are "open." That means there's no gates, no guard shacks for guards to stand in, and no need for employees to swipe a card to enter/exit the parking lots. There's no way to prove or disprove anyone entered/left the Intel facility parking lot. Still, in order to meet the time requirements, it would mean Terri would need to maintain an average speed well in excess of 60 mph in order to be at certain places and that doesn't account for the time spent at those places (ie to swap cars or dump a body etc).

The only person who really doesn't have a solid verifiable alibi at this point is Kaine.

by Elphie on Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:57 pm

[/quote]If she was on Savie in the red mustang at 11:00, could she get the car back to Intel and then to the Gym by 11:20 or 11:30 (I can't recall which time it was atm)[/quote]

I live on Sauvie Island and I know for a fact that there is a Island resident who owns a red mustang. They rarely drive it, but they do have teenage grandkids. It's not a new one, but it's well kept up so from a distance it might be hard to tell the age.

To be honest, I really don't give this spotting much weight. Why would she drive to Intel to pick up the mustang ... why the need for two cars? Since we don't have a cell phone tower on the Island, the ping that was logged came from the tower on HWY 30, just across the channel from Sauvie Island. From what I've read about her route that day, she probably did drive down HWY 30 ( St Helens Hwy ) which would take her by the the tower.

by Elphie on Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:03 pm

Mircea wrote:
Maat wrote:Mircea? Are you saying people have been spreading false rumors about TH? Say it isn't so!

In all seriousness, thank you for adding some logic to this nonsense people keep spouting about musical cars and tag team drivers and all. The convoluted stuff some people are spreading would be really useful in fertilizing the pastures around here.

I did look at GoogleEarth. All of the Intel facilities are "open." That means there's no gates, no guard shacks for guards to stand in, and no need for employees to swipe a card to enter/exit the parking lots. There's no way to prove or disprove anyone entered/left the Intel facility parking lot. Still, in order to meet the time requirements, it would mean Terri would need to maintain an average speed well in excess of 60 mph in order to be at certain places and that doesn't account for the time spent at those places (ie to swap cars or dump a body etc).

The only person who really doesn't have a solid verifiable alibi at this point is Kaine.

I've traveled on Cornelius Pass road for over twenty years and I can tell you, you can't take some of those hairpin curves at 60 mph. Not to mention it's a common route for slow trucks to get from Hwy 30 to Washington county.

by Mircea on Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:28 pm

Elphie wrote: Since we don't have a cell phone tower on the Island, the ping that was logged came from the tower on HWY 30, just across the channel from Sauvie Island.

Wow, it's odd that everything I've read by people gives the impression that the tower is on the island. The things I did not know.

Without knowing the full context, it's impossible to understand the nature of the cell-phone pings. The base station towers often send out pings, usually to determine your status, ie is your phone off or on. I have Nokia flip phone and the display often lights up for no apparent reason. There is a reason. The base station tower is just checking my status or sending an update to my cell-phone. The base station tower often broadcasts messages to all subscribers. Those are usually coded instructions that modify the chip-set in the cell-phone. We also know that law enforcement, especially the FBI, has used the carrier wave to send instructions to a specific cell-phone number to turn the receiver on, which allows law enforcement to hear any noises, sounds or conversations within range of the cell-phone receiver.

To triangulate someone's position requires the use of the base station and two other towers, three in total (hence triangulation).

If law enforcement wants to know someone's location, or the calls the made or received, they have to go to the base station to down-load that data, since only the base station has it. This is a typical base station tower with the little brick shack that houses the hardware and software:

This is just a typical tower that has its own power supply, probably from a non-commercial source, or a separate feeder from a commercial source in the event of power failure:

by Elphie on Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:03 pm

Mircea wrote:
Elphie wrote: Since we don't have a cell phone tower on the Island, the ping that was logged came from the tower on HWY 30, just across the channel from Sauvie Island.

Wow, it's odd that everything I've read by people gives the impression that the tower is on the island. The things I did not know.

Without knowing the full context, it's impossible to understand the nature of the cell-phone pings. The base station towers often send out pings, usually to determine your status, ie is your phone off or on. I have Nokia flip phone and the display often lights up for no apparent reason. There is a reason. The base station tower is just checking my status or sending an update to my cell-phone. The base station tower often broadcasts messages to all subscribers. Those are usually coded instructions that modify the chip-set in the cell-phone. We also know that law enforcement, especially the FBI, has used the carrier wave to send instructions to a specific cell-phone number to turn the receiver on, which allows law enforcement to hear any noises, sounds or conversations within range of the cell-phone receiver.

To triangulate someone's position requires the use of the base station and two other towers, three in total (hence triangulation).

If law enforcement wants to know someone's location, or the calls the made or received, they have to go to the base station to down-load that data, since only the base station has it. This is a typical base station tower with the little brick shack that houses the hardware and software:

This is just a typical tower that has its own power supply, probably from a non-commercial source, or a separate feeder from a commercial source in the event of power failure:

These towers are rather hard to miss and the only one is on Hwy 30 at the base of Cornelius Pass road. They tried several years back to get one placed by the Sauvie Island school, but there was such resistance that it never was built. The following link is the local Island webpage.
http://sauvieisland.org/2009/10/04/1997-proposed-cell-tower/

by Piper on Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:56 am

Thanks for the visuals on the tower and also the confirmation that the tower is not on the island.

by Guest on Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:46 am

My theory is that a ped either a visitor related or known to another student, was a ped, and saw an oppurtunity and cudnt control himself...

Or... that a ped saw the billboard ALL WELCOME.... and he saw the high risk oppurtunity that these pigs seem to crave (going into ppls houses, plucking children off of the street, grabbing kids in broad daylight) ...

and decidedd to take the one who was in arms length of him....

If TH planed this, it doesnt make sense that she wud have known she wud have a sick child that day, annd have to go get meds.... The thought that she planned this and used the school as the point of abduction is ludicrous..

I believe the only reason Sauvie Island was checked was likely becasue pings were picked up by that tower, or maybe had told LE rthat she drove their while trying to calm her sick daughter...

by *KJ* on Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:30 pm

Or because a tip came in (accurate or not) that she was seen on the island that day.

by Sherry on Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:11 am

johnabelle wrote:This is a sample of a couple of very rude comments I received from another site. Since there weren't very many people with open minds there, I thought when I begin posting, that some might change their attitude if I pointed out some things they may not have seen before. If you've ever been to this site, you'll understand why some of my comments are not so nice. There were other comments prior to these.

[Nurse Ratchet's response to my post on Blinks report]

Long article, (AKA- BS, effluent, smegma douchebaggery bullshit)(1)

No one cares Sherry. Come with your own thoughts, or don't come at all.

Condense, summarize, abridge, recap, outline- whatever.(1)

We can all click on a link and read it if we want.

SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY, SHERRYor dont...

...

OH! Okaaaay!!! lol!

I went and posted a comment at Hinky Meter and got blasted by pace and lily (lily, I know posts at Blink's) for stating my opinion on Terri being innocent of doing harm to Kyron. I was not nasty to anyone, I swear! Now I know why! This "Sherry" is the one they must have thought I was! Thing is, I don't post at Blink's. Geesh! I could not understand why Val jumped on me as she has never been rude to me before (not that I commented much at her site). And I've never had a problem with lily before nor she with me. I was quite taken aback by the whole row over there. This clears it up though I won't be posting at HM anymore. At least I can understand now and go back to respecting what Valhall writes even if I don't agree with her on this Horman case.

by Sherry on Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:39 am

johnabelle sez:

What I don't understand though, is having been through a bad experience, if I'm willing to keep an open mind, why are others refusing to even consider the possibility that there may be another suspect or explanation as to what happened to Kyron? And not only that, you have to endure insults and accusations, as if you committed the crime yourself. Some have given up trying to reason the possibilities with Terri bashers. It's as though Kaine supporters are trying to wear down any one who disagree's with them, in hopes that the case will just go away. What are these people trying to hide or keep others from finding out? They aren't kidding anybody but themselves. I may or may not post on GLP again. This is one of the worst sites I've found, but I'm not going to just forget about Kyron. There are other sites I can and do post on. You don't find the attitude on RC that you find on the others.

Just what I thought after being attacked. I don't worry about those who want to attack me and falsely accuse me of stuff-I just leave them to themselves and their closed minds. I don't know these people well enough to get into a row with them. I don't care about those who say they want discussion but then wont let you state anything outside of the groupthink/herd mentality. I like RC because those who state a differing opinion or theory are respected during the debate of ideas.

by Guest on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:43 am

Sherry,

I lost any use over there too.. I had been impressed on the diligence in the Casey case, and the scientific part ...

but now I see that very bright ppl (I will throws in NG too) arent necessarily logical, and fanbase (going with thr majority) and money are always a factor..

by johnabelle on Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:17 am

Sherry wrote:
johnabelle wrote:This is a sample of a couple of very rude comments I received from another site. Since there weren't very many people with open minds there, I thought when I begin posting, that some might change their attitude if I pointed out some things they may not have seen before. If you've ever been to this site, you'll understand why some of my comments are not so nice. There were other comments prior to these.

[Nurse Ratchet's response to my post on Blinks report]

Long article, (AKA- BS, effluent, smegma douchebaggery bullshit)(1)

No one cares Sherry. Come with your own thoughts, or don't come at all.

Condense, summarize, abridge, recap, outline- whatever.(1)

We can all click on a link and read it if we want.

SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY, SHERRYor dont...

...

OH! Okaaaay!!! lol!

I went and posted a comment at Hinky Meter and got blasted by pace and lily (lily, I know posts at Blink's) for stating my opinion on Terri being innocent of doing harm to Kyron. I was not nasty to anyone, I swear! Now I know why! This "Sherry" is the one they must have thought I was! Thing is, I don't post at Blink's. Geesh! I could not understand why Val jumped on me as she has never been rude to me before (not that I commented much at her site). And I've never had a problem with lily before nor she with me. I was quite taken aback by the whole row over there. This clears it up though I won't be posting at HM anymore. At least I can understand now and go back to respecting what Valhall writes even if I don't agree with her on this Horman case.

Hi Sherry. I use my real name on most sites, when it's not already being used, and it's Sherry same as yours. Someone from GLP's accused me of posting on Blinks and another site and I don't post on those. I mostly post on JDMH and here, and a few post on GLP, but not much. Were those your post they were giving me a hard time over? LOL Laughing

I don't let them bother me. Someone on GLP's even thought I was Terri posting on their site. I didn't even bother to correct them. I doubt Terri would even read a site like that, let alone post on it.