JonBenet Ramsey -- Found Deceased 12/25/96

Break Emerging in JonBenet Ramsey Case?
Expert: Boulder, Colo. Police Want to Talk to Her Brother, Now 23, Who Was Nine When She Was Killed, as Possible Witness

Sept. 28, 2010


JonBenet Ramsey (AP)

(CBS) An expert on the JonBenet murder case says his sources confirm reports that investigators in Boulder, Colo. would like to speak again to her older brother, Burke Ramsey, in case he saw something at the time that could help them connect some newly-surfaced dots now.

Burke was nine when his little sister, a 6-year-old beauty pageant contestant, was slain in December 1996, in what went on to become one of the most famous unsolved killings in recent times.

He's now 23.

Lawrence Skiller, a contributor to The Daily Beast, founder of the Norman Mailer Writers Colony and author of one of the definitive books on the Ramsey case, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," told "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez Tuesday he called some sources in Boulder on Monday.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/28/earlyshow/main6907384.shtml

Jonbenet Ramsey: Police to Interview Burke?

Tuesday, September 28, 2010
Posted by Seamus O Riley at 11:03 AM

HLN is reporting that Boulder police may want to interview Burke Ramsey, the older brother of slain JonBenet Ramsey.

We will be looking for any statements associated with the case. Police have just issued a statement stating that they won't be issuing statements.

Recently, we have begun to apply the principles of Statement Analysis in looking back at the Ramseys, including analysis done by Mark McClish on the ransom note, (www.statementanalysis.com) and linguistic indicators of possible sexual abuse done by Avinoam Sapir (www.lsiscan.com ) Note that although Mr. Sapir's work was intended for his students (the SCAN technique), it is a benefit to all.

This week, I plan to begin Statement Analysis of John and Patsy Ramsey's entire book about the case and will update interested readers.
updating...

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/09/jonbenet-ramsey-police-to-interview.html

This case has always bothered me. kh

Me as well, kh......

It's way past time for this little girl to be able to rest in peace.

Thanks for the article, Snaz! I followed this case! A resolution would be nice!

Yep, I followed it too! What a sad story .. a beautiful child gone on Christmas..

I was doing a little research on the Statement Analysis..

Here is the website...of Mark McClish.

http://www.statementanalysis.com/

Basically it says that he researced ppl talking in the last 26 yrs and can tell if you are lying or being honest by the words you use...

I always like to see relentless effort on any case, and also believe that technology is essential in everything we do...

But as far as solving crimes.. Please... is this going to be the latest thing to nail ppl????

To hear how John Ramseys book will now be analysed is getting old...

He was exonerated as well as Patsy and Burke....

They have DNA and have had it for a couple of years.. they need to focus on that and stop distracting themselves..

What next, what color of socks you prefer will determine guilt or innocence.. I tihnk we need to stop playing God with circumstance and predictions.. we need to get back to good old fashioned hard worked investigations..

Computers really cant do everything...

Here is the exoneration letter to the Ramseys.

"On July 9, 2008, Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy stated that DNA tests conducted by Bode Technology Group revealed that skin cells left behind on JonBenet Ramsey's long underwear point to a killer other than the girl's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, or her brother, Burke. Mrs. Ramsey died of ovarian cancer in 2006 at age 49.

"To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in this crime, I am deeply sorry," Lacy wrote in an exoneration letter to John Ramsey, who now has remarried and lives in Michigan. "No innocent person should have to endure such an extensive trial in the court of public opinion."

Early in the investigation into the 6-year-old pageant star's brutal murder on Christmas night in 1996, Lacy said that Boulder police discovered male DNA in a drop of blood on JonBenet's underwear that did not match any members of JonBenet's immediate family. The tests conducted by Bode Technology Group, Lacy said, revealed the same DNA that was found previously in the drop of blood was present in three places on JonBenet's long underwear.

Lacy stated that Boulder investigators now hope they'll eventually find a DNA match in the ever-expanding national DNA databank, a sentiment echoed by John Ramsey. "I think the people that are in charge of the investigation are focused on that, and that gives me a lot of comfort," Mr. Ramsey said in an interview with a Denver TV station. "Certainly we are grateful that they acknowledged that we, based on that, certainly could not have been involved."

Even if a DNA match is eventually made, it does not mean that the DNA from this contaminated crime scene will reveal it to be that of JonBenet's killer, although it possibly could. For now, all that is known, is that it is not the DNA of John, Burke, or the late Patsy Ramsey. In the meantime, the JonBenet case will continue unsolved and will remain one of the most botched crime investigations in the annals of U.S. law enforcement."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:C9UR_xZTtzYJ:www.bouldercounty.org/newsroom/templates/%3Fa%3D1256%26z%3D0+mary+lacy+jonbonet&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

This case has always bothered me. I hated what was done to the Ramsey's. I remember seeing a program years back about a guy that was a possible suspect, something about his boots matching a footprint, but they didn't do anything with him. I wish I could remember what program it was so I could find it. It was interesting.

Yes. Piper I remember that..... But why look for anyone outside when you can go after the parents?????????????

We are hearing talk now from another case about the Vidocq Society....

We know the society is comprised of a lie detector (expert???) as well as a hand writing analyst and a profiler.....

I recall how it was all over the news that the note was matched Pattys handwriting and we know how they were both told they failed their polys ...........

Another witchunt where a victim still has no one brought to justice.. just their family that seems to be still badgered....

What is wrong with our legal system???????????

They have the best evidence in the world... DNA (that we already know does not match Burke, John or Patty)...

Is there nothing more that can be done with the DNA..

Surely they cud do more investigating with that boot...

Im not suggesting they have an easy job, but I am just so sick of ppl fitting so called descriptions and being used so to match circumstantial evidence agaisn and smeering the creditbility of these crime victims...

AJ, I think this article is related to the tv show I saw RE: the DNA.

SMIT PUSHES TOUTS INTRUDER THEORY EX-JONBENET RAMSEY HOMICIDE DETECTIVE TAKES HIS CASE TO A NATIONAL TV AUDIENCE.(Local)

Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO)
May 1, 2001
Ryckman, Lisa Levitt


Former JonBenet Ramsey murder detective Lou Smit has taken his intruder theory to national television in an effort to jump-start the investigation.

On Monday's Today show, the retired El Paso County homicide cop released graphic crime scene photos and even climbed through the basement window he believed the killer used.

Boulder police have focused on the 6-year-old's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, who are still considered suspects. The Ramseys have denied killing their daughter.

``They have just stopped at the Ramseys, plain and simple,'' Smit …

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-73936603.html

I haven't found the DNA part yet, but these are interesting anyway...

(This looks interesting)

WARNING: There may be very graphic images in these videos.....

The JonBenet Ramsey Story











At the end of Part 5, it says continued on Part 6, but I can't find it.

AJ......

snipped:

On November 19, 2002, The Rocky Mountain News reported the unknown male DNA recovered from JonBenet's panties could have been left on the garment at the time the clothing was manufactured. "In exploring that theory, investigators obtained unopened 'control' samples of identical underwear manufactured in the plant in Southeast Asia, tested them and found human DNA in some of those new, unused panties."

Read more:http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/feb_13.html


Also:

Male DNA in Underwear
Findings
Male DNA Found. "In addition, male DNA was found in JonBenet's underwear that does not match that of any Ramsey and has not yet been sourced. (SMF PP 175, 178; PSMF PP 175, 178.)" (Carnes 2003:22).
No Match Found to Date. "The Boulder Police Department has yet to identify the male whose DNA was found at the crime scene. (SMF P 177; PSMF P 177.)" (Carnes 2003:22).
Saliva? According to Internet poster Margoo, Lin Wood reported in a chat session that the DNA in the underwear "probably" was saliva. Several news sources also have suggested the male DNA was from saliva, including Denver Post, People's Daily Online and Taipei Times


Potential Source of DNA in Underwear
Factory Worker DNA
Evidence in Favor of Asian Factory Worker Source
Unnamed Investigators' View. However, "Investigators in the JonBenet Ramsey case believe that male DNA recovered from the slain child's underwear may not be critical evidence at all, and instead could have been left at the time of the clothing's manufacture. In exploring that theory, investigators obtained unopened "control" samples of identical underwear manufactured at the same plant in Southeast Asia, tested them - and found human DNA in some of those new, unused panties."


Read more:
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/DNA-Evidence#MaleDNAinUnderwear

This is interesting too, lots of pics & Lou Smit's arguments.

http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=25&forum=DCForumID79

Julie wrote:(This looks interesting)
The JonBenet Ramsey Story

There are extremely graphic and upsetting images on video (#3). I wish I had not watched it. kh

Sorry, I haven't watched them yet, but I will put your warning in my post.

Here's info on the touch DNA in this case. BBM

Family cleared in JonBenet Ramsey’s death
New DNA test finds no link, DA says in letter to Colorado girl’s father

msnbc.com and NBC News msnbc.com and NBC News
updated 7/9/2008 5:19:36 PM ET

Lacy based her decision, according to the letter, on the results of new DNA samples secured and tested at Bode Technology Group in Lorton, Va. The DNA technology, called “touch” analysis, was not available in 1996.

The recent testing was conducted on a different area of the girl's clothing, and it matches previous DNA tested from the child’s panties in 1997.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25608543/

Julie, thank you for taking the time to search for these and post them. The graphic images are extremely disturbing. Who got away with murdering this child in such a vicious manner? Where are they now?

Great information being posted..on such a sad story for everyone who was involved along with the world who still mourns JonBonets death and prays for the killer to be caught and brought to justice...

Here are my specific questions based on the articles posted here..

I am of the understanding that the dna that was found on JonBonets underwear matched the same DNA that was found on JonBonets clothing.

If this is true, then finding DNA on brand new unopened factory made underwear is a moot point...

Is this correct? Is the exoneration letter still warranted?

If not, I dont understand why it wud not have been retracted.....Can someone shed some light...?

Thanks Julie...

About the underwear..

It is my understanding that this detectives theory (one who clearly has not quit his witchunt agaisnt this family) has been discredited.

My understanding is that even though a test in the factory proved DNA was found on unopened packages of the same brand of underwear, (which wud imply that this "touch" dna was there from a factory worker and not the perp...was eliminated on account that the match of DNA was also found on diff articles of JB's clothing that was never in the factory...If this is true then it wud blow out this detectives theory..and still leave the Ramseys exonerated...

I have asked this same ? on the other thread, but asked it here as well for readers who may not be viewing the other thread...

Thnx

Piper, no problem.

AJ, I'll check around more later.