Defense Strategies

I know this has been discussed by a lot of us. However, we haven't discussed it here. I was going over some of the older documents, discussions and people involved early on. Terence Lenamon really had some interesting things to say. If you recall he was not asked back to the defense team after the state put the DP back on the table. He said it was because they had a difference in defense strategy. He said on Nancy Grace that he felt she should be using, Not Guilty by reason of insanity. So, to me, that means, he believes she did this to Caylee. What did he see, that led him to that conclusion? Was it just what we all know? Or is there more? I'm guessing there is more. But here's my question then. If there is more that led him to believe this (and keep in mind he is very experienced, not just another Baez), how is it Baez can think she's innocent? does Baez truly believe she's innocent? He has me convinced that he thinks she's innocent. Is he really that blind though?
So, what do you all think they will really use as a defense? Seriously, if KC is sticking to the nanny story, what will the defense be and how in the hail are they going to make the evidence we have all seen, fit that theory? I just don't see it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19453077/detail.html


LEGAL ANALYST REVIEWS ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS

The public got an inside look at the defense strategies Casey Anthony's team of lawyers considered from an attorney no longer in her camp. On national TV death penalty lawyer Terence Lenamon said he would've defended Casey by blaming mental health problems.

RAW VIDEO: Attorney On Nancy Grace

However, according to WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer, to use a mental health defense you have to admit you did something because of mental health issues. Continued at link above.

I have heard KC worked for an escort service called Universal Escorts. And I'll tell you, I think this is more than a theory. Sean Krause had an article about this on his site a long time ago before he passed away. Mark Nejamne (sp?) asked him to take it down. And out of respect for him, he did. However, Sean was really on to something there. I wish I would have copied that article before it was removed. So, yes, Sunni, I believe there is some truth in this.

AJ,

That's what I'm thinking. GHe more than likely said right from the start, if you tell me you did something, I cannot defend you any other way. My divorce attorney had told me that right up front. He said, if you tell me something, I cannot go any other way with that information. I can not question you about it if we go to trial and then if you lie I will have to recuse myself. So, it's possible he does know or at least suspects. i just can't imagine anyone believes her.
However, I don't think Baez passed his bar exams on the first few tries. So, he may not be all that intelligent. LOL

awaiting justice wrote:lol, Tracey
I ended up watching CA's depo again as well as rereading her fbi interview...
It seems that the defense is going to say that LE never looked for the right ZFG. ANd they will imply that the ZFG was really an alias and had tricked KC.. They will say that all the ppl that knew ZFG jules jeff tom the roomates Jennifer and ?? were all fake names.. so when LE were trying to find these ppl, and establish if there is such ppl, they cudnt find these ppl as their real names were concealed from KC..as they had a plan for her... Its just so crazy, and to see how the Ants have and still help facilitate this lie is sickening

I agree that is the defense they will use. However that defense is going to fall through, reason being is because they can not even produce phone numbers nor a residence much less no one has ever seen the supposed ZFG. Another hole in the story is she cant even get straight where it was she dropped Caylee off at. So even if they do go for the wrong ZFG they have thier asses to cover cause the story is not going to fly.

I don't think any story KC comes up with is going to fly. I really don't. I mean, no matter how hard I've tried, I can't come up with anything based on what she said or did that seems to make any sense. And believe me I have been up many a night thinking about something, anything, that would convince me she didn't do this. I haven't been able to come up with a single thing.

I have to disagree.... I just don't think KC is smart at all. And I also don't believe for ONE SECOND that she is reading law books.... that stuff would go so far over her head, it would mean nothing. That is something the defense WANTS us to believe..... KC is way too self-centered to spend her time reading law books.... I believe she is spending her time READING.... but I don't believe it's LAW BOOKS.

KC had 31 days to come up with a story to cover her tracks... and the best she could do was 'the nanny did it'????? That doesn't show very much smarts to me. If she was smart, she would have at least made an attempt to appear as though she was actually looking for her daughter... she wasn't going to be able to keep the fact that Caylee wasn't around hidden forever. But instead, she went out partying, pole dancing with other girls, and sleeping with any guy who would have her...

Smart? I just don't see it....

JMO

awaiting justice wrote:Snaz, the staff at OCSC were the ones that corroborated what she was reading.....

Awaiting..... this is only my opinion, but just because she has a law book in front of her does not mean she is reading it, and it certainly doesn't mean she UNDERSTANDS what she is reading. I will probably never (because I try never to say never!!!! LOL) believe she is actually participating in her defense other than to tell her attorneys whatever lies they need to hear.

Law books are pretty hard for the average layman to comprehend and you can't get much more average than KC.

Again, MOO.

mimi4all wrote:Sunni, I don't know how to do quotes here yet. So how about teaching me how?

Mimi, I'm not Sunni, but I can teach you...

All you do is go to the post you want to quote and click the 'quote' button in the top right corner of the post. That will bring you to a new post reply box to type your post... and the quote will be inside the box... go below the quote inside the box and type away.... LOL

Hope that makes sense.

The nanny did it is likely to be a strategy that will fail. They might switch up and try to point the finger at Jesse Grund, Roy Kronk, or anybody else they can think of.

I think one of the defense's main strategies is going to be trying to convince the jury that Caylee's body wasn't where it was found the whole time. They will probably try to say that the real killer put Caylee's body there later and that's why her body wasn't found in earlier searches of the area.

I don't think any of these strategies will work and chances are slim that KC will walk. She may escape the death penalty if somebody on the jury is morally opposed to it.

The defense's best strategy would probably be for KC to say that Caylee was accidentally killed somehow, and that she panicked and that's why she told all the lies to cover up the fact that Caylee was dead.

Personally I hope that the defense uses one of the weaker strategies that a jury will see right through and KC gets what's coming to her.

Justice4all wrote:The nanny did it is likely to be a strategy that will fail. They might switch up and try to point the finger at Jesse Grund, Roy Kronk, or anybody else they can think of.

I think one of the defense's main strategies is going to be trying to convince the jury that Caylee's body wasn't where it was found the whole time. They will probably try to say that the real killer put Caylee's body there later and that's why her body wasn't found in earlier searches of the area.

I don't think any of these strategies will work and chances are slim that KC will walk. She may escape the death penalty if somebody on the jury is morally opposed to it.

The defense's best strategy would probably be for KC to say that Caylee was accidentally killed somehow, and that she panicked and that's why she told all the lies to cover up the fact that Caylee was dead.

Personally I hope that the defense uses one of the weaker strategies that a jury will see right through and KC gets what's coming to her.

Excellent post, J4A! I truly hope that Casey gets the Death Penalty. Society would be much better off without people like her.

Sunni wrote:Ditto J4A & Booklover !!!!

Something I've been wondering about here........

Just theorhetically ( sp lol )........ Since DC isn't talking and he was in those woods where Caylees body was found, with an established credible witness........ who's to say people won't question if he actually was working for someone ( lol who we all know hired (? ) him ) in hiding Caylees body or moving it to that particular place ?

Just a little food for thought.

Hi, Sunni! That's a good point, and an interesting one too.

I also think the defense will try to use the 'some other dude did it' theory (Jesse Grund, maybe even Roy Kronk or Ricardo Morales)... and they will also try to convince the jury Caylee's body was not in those woods while KC was out of jail, so she could not have been the one to put her there....... But I just can't help but believe that whatever defense they use, they will somehow try to put at least SOME of the blame on Cindy and possibly George, too.

I'm not convinced they won't still go with the accident theory if they realize their others theories won't fly.... or are too easily contradicted. Bozo, and now Andrea Lyon, has always said KC is "innocent".... well, they could still say she is "innocent" of murder, but that this was an accident, and KC panicked.... that's when I think they will begin the process of blaming CA & GA.... I also think it is Bozo who has kept the A's away from KC. I think he wants a bit of distance between them should the defense decide to throw the A's under the bus..... JMO

Whatever ridiculous theory the defense will try to sell the jury, it will be an interesting trial. And I, personally, don't see KC walking away from this one.

Snaz wrote:I also think the defense will try to use the 'some other dude did it' theory (Jesse Grund, maybe even Roy Kronk or Ricardo Morales)... and they will also try to convince the jury Caylee's body was not in those woods while KC was out of jail, so she could not have been the one to put her there....... But I just can't help but believe that whatever defense they use, they will somehow try to put at least SOME of the blame on Cindy and possibly George, too.

I'm not convinced they won't still go with the accident theory if they realize their others theories won't fly.... or are too easily contradicted. Bozo, and now Andrea Lyon, has always said KC is "innocent".... well, they could still say she is "innocent" of murder, but that this was an accident, and KC panicked.... that's when I think they will begin the process of blaming CA & GA.... I also think it is Bozo who has kept the A's away from KC. I think he wants a bit of distance between them should the defense decide to throw the A's under the bus..... JMO

Whatever ridiculous theory the defense will try to sell the jury, it will be an interesting trial. And I, personally, don't see KC walking away from this one.

Excellent post, Snaz! I don't have a problem with George & Cindy being blamed. After all, they certainly did NOTHING to protect Caylee from their monster daughter. However, for the Defense to claim that Casey is "innocent" is just plain ridiculous. Baez is just one of many reasons most people don't like Criminal Defense Attorneys. It makes you want to have Nancy Grace as a Prosecutor on this case, doesn't it? I've no doubt whatsoever that she would go after Casey with a vengeance.

I would like to bump this back up to the front......

During the hearing held on 8/21, the defense gave us a glimpse of what their defense will be. Macaluso made the statement to the effect that they had proof that Caylee was placed in the woods where she was found after KC had already been arrested; therefore KC had to be innocent.

First of all, I don't believe they have any such proof because I truly believe KC killed Caylee and put her out in those woods way back in the middle of June last year. But what tells me for sure that they don't have the proof Macaluso says they do is because if they could prove NOW that KC didn't kill Caylee, why wouldn't they just provide it to the authorities rather than to let KC sit in jail awaiting a DP trial???

Just a thought.....

There has been much speculation about how JB and crew will defend KC at trial. I came across this article and thought it interesting. I guess JB thinks he is the only criminal defense attorney who has won a 'not guilty of attempted murder' verdict for a client.... he says if the State wants to send one of HIS clients to prison, they are going to have to work harder than ever before... HUH?

Baez Talks Defense Strategy With News 13

Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:59:18 AM
Reported By Adam Longo

KISSIMMEE -- We're getting a better idea of the strategies Casey Anthony's lawyers will use when her murder case heads to court.

News 13's Adam Longo spoke exclusively with Jose Baez about their defense as one of the biggest murder trials in Orange County history gets closer.

An Osceola County man, who was accused of murder, walked out of court a free man last Monday. His lawyer was Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's lawyer. News 13 talked to Baez to try to learn what tactics he employed in the courtroom in this case that he might also use in the case of a mother accused of killing her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

"The only thing I remember when I wake up, I was in the hospital, and the next thing I know, the next day I was in jail," said Rafael Contreras, who was acquitted of attempted murder.

Contreras has two young daughters. He used to be a truck driver. In February 2008 he was thrown in jail for attempted first degree murder. He spent 20 months in jail and got out on Monday.

"I feel like .. it's really unbelievable," Contreras said.

"I saw a lot of problems with the state's case," Baez said.

Contreras' family hired Baez last summer after firing their first attorney. Contreras proclaimed his innocence and rejected a plea deal from the state.

"They asked him, 'The offer is 20 years in prison, do you want to take it?' His answer was no. ... He's facing life," Baez said.

In court, the state argued Contreras had been thrown out of a Kissimmee bar, returned with a gun and shot the owner. the prosecution had eight eyewitnesses, but Baez and his team broke down the state's case piece by piece.

He showed the jury a side-by-side photo of Contreras (see slideshow in this story), who had been severely beaten, and his alleged target, who did not appear in the photo to be as badly injured. The defense asked, "Who's really the victim?"

The defense told the jury Contreras was beaten severely by other men inside the bar, and that the man who was shot set the whole thing up after learning Contreras was having an affair with his wife.

The defense highlighted an expert who said the alleged target's wound was consistent with being self-inflicted. Forensic scientists pointed to blood spatter evidence as proof the man was lying.

"You always put your heart and soul into a case and I don't think the arguments would be as persuasive if you didn't," Baez told Longo.

The defense had thousands of pictures, charts, graphs, a picture of a muzzle burn on the alleged victim's face that they said was self-inflicted.

During his 20 months in jail, Contreras said it was Baez who kept his spirits up.

"Well, I was down and he was always giving me hope, like, 'Don't worry, trust me, everything's going to come out OK," Contreras said.

"These people put their lives in your hand and they trust in you and that's not something you should take lightly," Baez said.

What's next for Contreras?

"Trying to get my job back, start from zero," Contreras said.

Contreras now has his life back. He said his faith kept him strong.

"I put my hope in the Lord and him [Baez] that he's going to do the right job, and he did. We came out with the victory," Contreras said.

As a prelude to the approaching trial of Casey Anthony, Baez told News 13 that with her, and with all of his clients, if the state wants to convict his clients, they will have to work harder than they ever have before.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/11/18/baez_talks_with_news_13_about_his_defense_strategy.html

shhhhhh AJ!!!!!! Cindy may be a reader here!!!!!!! On the other hand, this scenario played out would make them look even more psychopathetic than they already do! I like how you take all their lies and spin them a story...I don't think they are smart enough to come up with all of that, much less make it make sense to ANYONE with a brain. But I enjoyed the entertainment!!!

Is Casey Anthony's family trying to build a resonable doubt case?

November 17, 8:26 PM
Spokane Homicide Examiner
Doyle Wheeler



Is Casey Anthony's family trying to build a reasonable doubt case?
Is her first attorney at the heart of what amounts to a conspiracy to obstruct justice by carefully constructing, while at the same time giving instructions to family members on how to build a reasonable doubt defense?

If you look at her conduct in the month prior the family reporting that Caylee was missing, it’s hard to understand or swallow Casey’s claim that some phantom babysitter kidnapped Caylee.

First you start with her deplorable conduct, then comes the whole impossible to swallow or believe kidnapping. Next she starts lying to the police about working? Along comes the decomposition, followed by her unexplainable Internet searches. Now before long a case that is in part circumstantial evidence starts firming up for the 1st degree murder of "the little brat," as Casey described Caylee in her own words.

But this is not a strictly circumstantial case by any means. The defense wants to wish away the physical evidence by trying to pooh-pooh it as being inconclusive, it doesn’t work like that counselor.

But, counselor you will get a chance to attack it in court, like the law allows.

When a defense attorney starts throwing up smoke screens with frivolous motions attacking the case in the media before the trial begins it is the attorney’s attempt to plant the idea in the jury pools minds that poor Casey is being railroaded.

It’s a text book defense strategy 101, but it can backfire and burn the client. The judge will only put up with so many baseless motions then you’ll get a judge that is predisposed to send the defense attorney back to their chairs very unhappy throughout the trial.

Read the rest:

http://www.examiner.com/x-14615-Spokane-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m11d17-Is-Casey-Anthonys-family-trying-to-build-a-resonable-doubt-case

thanks for the article snaggles... i have thought for a long time that the ant family is not as stupid as they seem... everything has its purpose.. and i believed that purpose was future jury confusion, and setting up an alternative case.. look at the depo's .. GA and CA were both guilty of adding unnecessary info.. things they WERE NOT Asked, but needed to get out there.. on the record.. to set up a SOD defense... IMHO

I don't think this canker on the butt of humanity has a snow ball's chance in hell of walking, but it's fun to see the defense try....and I'm glad Jose is getting other clients off....that way Casey thinks he's gonna get her off and then BAM!!!! GUILTY, FIRST DEGREE MURDER with special circumstances

Case Against Casey: Battle Of The Experts

Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:29:20 AM
Reported by Adam Longo

ORLANDO -- News 13 is digging deeper into one of the main arguments that's expected to play out in the case against Casey Anthony.

"The body or the remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up at the Orange County Correctional Facility and that proves her innocence," said defense attorney Todd Macaluso on Aug. 21.

Anthony’s defense team is lining up witnesses to back up that statement.

They're talking to everyone who may have been in the woods where Caylee's remains were eventually found.

They have video of people searching that area they're likely to use in court.

But the state has evidence it feels proves Caylee's remains were in the woods before Casey went to jail.

They have former meter reader Roy Kronk, who said he saw something suspicious in August.

There's also a botanist report which indicates Caylee's remains were in the same place for at least four months.

Casey Anthony will be back in court for a hearing this Friday.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/12/8/case_against_casey_battle_of_the_experts.html